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re: Cam Cameron's career, quarterbacks, and the running game
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:03 pm to trooploop
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:03 pm to trooploop
Nice write-up, troop. I'm not sure I agree with what you said about Cam developing quarterbacks slowly though. Mettenberger went from meh to great in just a few short months. So either he's capable of developing them very quickly or he wasn't responsible for Mett's improvement
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:08 pm to S
The same people who don't like cam, didn't like jimbo. Can't make them happy, never will.
Cam Cameron is one of the best O.C's in all the land, one of the best qb developers in the game. If he were to leave lsu today, he'd have a high profile gig next year. Probably a n.f.l. gig at that.
The issue with the passing game has more to do with a true soph at qb, a true frosh at left guard, a first time left tackle, a r.s. frosh at right guard, a true soph at two of the three wr's.
Harris is the first qb Cam recruited. he's showed progress from year one to two. If he continues to progress to year three and four then we have ourselves the first four year quality qb in a while. He appears to be recruiting the position at the highest level since Jimbo.
I'm good with Cam. Have all the confidence in the world in him. If you don't like cam or les, you don't like Jim Harbaugh, david shaw, or Nick Saban. They have the same philosophy as our coach. Power run game, defense and special teams. It's why they are successful
P.s. anyone paying attention to all that talent in ohio state? that offense isn't a well oiled machine either. Yet, people say Urban is a offensive genius.
Cam Cameron is one of the best O.C's in all the land, one of the best qb developers in the game. If he were to leave lsu today, he'd have a high profile gig next year. Probably a n.f.l. gig at that.
The issue with the passing game has more to do with a true soph at qb, a true frosh at left guard, a first time left tackle, a r.s. frosh at right guard, a true soph at two of the three wr's.
Harris is the first qb Cam recruited. he's showed progress from year one to two. If he continues to progress to year three and four then we have ourselves the first four year quality qb in a while. He appears to be recruiting the position at the highest level since Jimbo.
I'm good with Cam. Have all the confidence in the world in him. If you don't like cam or les, you don't like Jim Harbaugh, david shaw, or Nick Saban. They have the same philosophy as our coach. Power run game, defense and special teams. It's why they are successful
P.s. anyone paying attention to all that talent in ohio state? that offense isn't a well oiled machine either. Yet, people say Urban is a offensive genius.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:12 pm to LSUANDY25
quote:i don't see where i called you a name.
is the name calling necessary?
quote:i've already addressed this point. a statistically superior passing game is not the only mark of an excellent oc.
dead last in the SEC in passing and 5th from the bottom in the NCAA in passing nothing at all. Somehow this is a measurement of excellence
quote:overlooking the obvious career stats for cameron at all his stops
but he did win the Super Bowl that year. U go ahead and call him wrong, thats your choice. "He is not god"... do tell
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:14 pm to dos crystal
If Cameron's such a great QB developer, why do they keep shipping Harris off to Whitfield in San Diego every summer?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:15 pm to easy money
quote:as long as lsu is winning.
So you are happy with the production of the passing game as a compliment to our running game?
quote:perfect illustration of rantardness. lsu slings it all over the yard with a 3k yard passer, fan is not satisfied. lsu destroying cfb with a steamroller running attack, fan is not satisfied.
lthough 6th best offense in SEC and we saw what those guys did in different systems in the NFL
quote:who is arguing otherwise?
but it's not good enough yet.
quote:at no point have i said anything to the contrary. what i'm pointing out is that people have little to no perspective. they think they understand "playcalling" and can recognize good playcalling from bad playcalling.
it shouldn't be enough for you either
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:17 pm to dos crystal
Agree. If people can't see the improvement in Harris from last year (little we saw him) to this year, I can't help you. Does the passing game need work? Yes! Lots! The players and coaches know this and it looks to me like it's getting worked on.
The pieces are there, it will come together... patients!
Besides, I would rather have a dominant running game and a weak passing game than the other way around.
The pieces are there, it will come together... patients!
Besides, I would rather have a dominant running game and a weak passing game than the other way around.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:18 pm to LSUANDY25
quote:team a receivers have dropped several crucial passes that would change that stat.
Team A is 123rd in the nation in passing the football
team a has had penalties on several long completions, including scores, that would change that stat.
team a has receivers that aren't getting separation like they should be.
team a has gotten pass interference calls on some of those incompletions that otherwise would have resulted in long completions.
perspective.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:27 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Anyone who thinks that LSU pays a OC 1.5 million a year to not be heavily involved in the offense/playcalling is college football intellectually challenged.
How many people had to pay off the mafia to do nothing when they were running businesses? Dont for a second think Les didn't want Cam to be paid well. Once he the dotted line was signed, the rest is history. It doesn't have to earn that money anymore. How is this not a probable scenario?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:28 pm to OchoDedos
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So why did Cameron keep getting fired?
He also got hired as an NFL HC, a Div-1 HC, NFL-OC (twice). You nicely omit all the times he was HIRED. Someone saw some reason to give him those positions.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:28 pm to trooploop
Thanks for the info. The fact is that there is a lot of information about the player, opponents and other factors that affect the game plan. I think the STAFF fully recognizes the importance, critical importance, of being able to pass when it is expected. Winning anything this year will depend on a balanced offense which means that they will not be able to ignore the pass to stop LF7 at all costs.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:29 pm to bfniii
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i've already addressed this point. a statistically superior passing game is not the only mark of an excellent oc.
No one is saying "superior", we just want statistically AVERAGE.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:34 pm to OchoDedos
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If Cameron's such a great QB developer, why do they keep shipping Harris off to Whitfield in San Diego every summer?
1. Cam and Whitfield are boys.
2. Cam can't work with Harris in the summer.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:34 pm to Rex
quote:so you're comparing a completed product with one that is not completed. what if cameron's stats end up being better? what would you say then?
LSU's winning percentage
quote:1. lsu is undefeated and ranked #5
Where is the greatness you sunshine salesmen see?
2. the season isn't over.
3. name the coordinators since '13 that have been better than cameron. state your criteria, rank them and substantiate them.
i'm not a sunshine pumper. i just point out that negas don't look at the big picture - winning compared to other teams.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:35 pm to trooploop
Also, there's nothing in this post in terms of X's and O's that proves its "Cam's offense" . We know what Les Miles ran at Oklahoma St., and we know what he's running now, and it looks far similar to that than Cam who has been at numerous places with balanced output.
There's also no explanation about how this offensive output is similar to the Junior and Senior years of Jefferson & Lee....its eerily similar.
Also, as has been said ad nauseum, two TE's and a FB is what Les Miles has always done.
Listen to the announcers during the game. Its I-Formation.
Sorry but your post isn't even slightly convincing. We can all read the history.
There's also no explanation about how this offensive output is similar to the Junior and Senior years of Jefferson & Lee....its eerily similar.
Also, as has been said ad nauseum, two TE's and a FB is what Les Miles has always done.
Listen to the announcers during the game. Its I-Formation.
Sorry but your post isn't even slightly convincing. We can all read the history.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:36 pm to amiznit
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2. Cam can't work with Harris in the summer.
And he's only allowed to work with him so many hours during the school year as well....
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:38 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:that's not necessarily how to win fb games. do you want to win? lsu is undefeated. i get it though. if you were coach, lsu would be SUPER undefeated which is obviously better than merely undefeated.
we just want statistically AVERAGE
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:39 pm to Rex
Despite all your typing, no, we don't. The object of the game is to outscore your opponent while entertaining your fans, not to have the league's leading rusher.
No dumbass, the goal is to win period.
No dumbass, the goal is to win period.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:41 pm to bfniii
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team a receivers have dropped several crucial passes that would change that stat.
What would the stat be exactly? Please. Also, receivers WILL DROP some passes. Happens all over CFB. LSU isn't the only team with drops, and its ridiculous to expect them to catch every single pass.
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team a has had penalties on several long completions, including scores, that would change that stat.
Are you saying in EVERY case the penalties had nothing to do with the outcome of the play? Did you ever think maybe it was successful at all is because of the infraction made that resulted in the penalty? I can think of only two plays were this was even a discussion, but they weren't by any means outlandish penalties, and again EVERY team has penalties like that. Watch more football on Saturday and Sunday.
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team a has gotten pass interference calls on some of those incompletions that otherwise would have resulted in long completions.
Again, i can only think of the EMU game where this was an issue. This never happened against any of the average teams we played, thus we shouldn't expect any favors going forward. Also, EVERY team has this happen, not just LSU.
The stats are not calculated according to "would of" and "could of" for every team but LSU. Every team has the PI calls, the penalties etc.
quote:
perspective.
Damn right, use perspective and realize these are not anomalies and shouldn't be considered as such.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:46 pm to bfniii
quote:
that's not necessarily how to win fb games. do you want to win? lsu is undefeated. i get it though. if you were coach, lsu would be SUPER undefeated which is obviously better than merely undefeated.
Wrong. I assume if we try to actively balance out the passing game, and we utilize the pass more, as a result, we will end up around statistically average.
No one is arguing to accomplish a statistical goal just for the sake of a statistical goal. You look for benchmarks to show that you're moving towards a more balanced attack, and passing yardage might be one of those. IDGAF how much yardage we pass for, but if we pass more, I think we can all agree it would be a lot fricking more than it is right now.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE STATS ALONE. THEY ONLY USE IT AS A BENCHMARK TO SEE THAT OUR PASSING GAME IS EFFECTIVE.
How is this hard to understand?
No we dont want to be Tx Tech, Baylor, or TCU. We want BALANCE.
I played xbox, and madden, and video games, and you know what I loved most? I loved BALANCE in my statistics.
This :" Oh you guys just play too much playstation, and want playstation video game stats"
IS frickING NOT TRUE.
I wanted a great rusher AND a great passer. We're not that dense.
Im done. This is exhausting. Its been going on forever way before Cam Cameron was even a thought for the LSU job.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:51 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:the one that was posted - 123rd in passing
What would the stat be exactly?
quote:i never said anything to the contrary. but, if lsu receivers catch just half the passes they've dropped, there's no denying lsu would be a statistically better passing team. my point is, cameron is not responsible for plays like the dural drop. that's on dural
its ridiculous to expect them to catch every single pass.
quote:my point is that if the players execute doing what they know they're supposed to do, all the simpleton negas think cameron is a genius. i haven't seen anything this season that makes me think cameron's long successful career was a fluke or is over. for example, the review at msu was missed. that was a long completion and a first down. how is that cameron's fault? yet, it affects the passing game stats that negas covet so much and lsu won despite that.
penalties had nothing to do with the outcome of the play?
quote:my point is that if you put that together with everything else, the passing offense isn't nearly as bad as the negas are making it out to be.
i can only think of the EMU game where this was an issue.
quote:perspective is what i've posted. cameron has had a great career and hasn't done anything so far at lsu to diminish it. the season isn't over and lsu is undefeated, #5 and is better on offense than last season.
use perspective and realize these are not anomalies and shouldn't be considered as such.
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