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re: Burrow & SEC QBs drop rate vs NFL's - CFB Film Room Debunked
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:17 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:17 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Are you going to acknowledge that your NFL and CFB stats are based on completely different metrics?
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:22 am to lsupride87
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You just compared drop rate to percentage of incompletions
And multiple people fricking agreed with you. Our fan base is so freaking stupid
It just goes to show you how people see something posted, make no effort to verify if it's actually true, and run with it.
It's the same thing with the "we had more kickers than linebackers on scholarship" quote the people love to throw around.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:23 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I love Burrow
I think he is a great leader.
I am tired of seeing your drivel about it being everyone else’s fault.
I think he is a great leader.
I am tired of seeing your drivel about it being everyone else’s fault.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:28 am to GRTiger
quote:I just went to link and see he's not even using the same stat to debunk the one that totally traumatizes him.
NFL and CFB stats are based on completely different metrics,
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:30 am to Mayhawman
So far it is the stats fault, receivers fault and the coaches fault.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:32 am to GRTiger
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Are you going to acknowledge that your NFL and CFB stats are based on completely different metrics?
Yes. Acknowledged it on the first page by computing that LSUs drops come out to 1.6 per game. So, yes, the metrics are clearly different, but close enough to make my point. And, my point remains the same. CFB Film Room is a click-bait site that solicits readers to analyze game film - and invents their own game stat standards. It is an amateur operation.
Here it is again:
quote:
Direct quote from CFB's FAQ section:
Q. Why are your stats wrong?
A. Yes, we know our stats don’t match up with the numbers you’re seeing elsewhere. There are a number of reasons for this.
Most frequently, especially with common statistics such as rushing and passing yards, it’s because we believe the NCAA’s policy for recording official statistics is archaic, at best, and often just flat out illogical."
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:33 am to tigerfoot
quote:This simply isn't true. There's lots of reason for an incomplete pass. Inaccuracy wasn't a big issue despite the percentage.
Burriw was terribly inaccurate for a large part of the season. You don’t throw for less than 50 percent if you are accurate and timely
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:38 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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I'd agree with that point. But that is scheme, not QB play. Way too many long-developing pass plays. Hope all that changes drastically with a new passing-game/WR coach.
It's both. Scheme absolutely plays a part, but there are times Burrow holds the ball too long or locks in on a single WR. Sometimes he needs to throw the 50/50 balls and give his receivers a chance to win the ball.
You could see the progression over the season though. His decision making accelerated and his WRs improved as well. understanding that Joe arrived over the summer and did not have a full offseason with the team and this being his first full time starting none of this should surprise anyone.
There's no need to feel you have to defend Burrow at the expense of the team. He's doing great and the Tiger nation loves Joe. He's going to have a huge jump in 2019 with more weapons on offense, more experience and a better OL.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 9:45 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:41 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:Yeah, everything the NCAA does is perfectly logical.
NCAA’s policy for recording official statistics is archaic, at best, and often just flat out illogical.
So you think sack yds from a passing effort should be subtracted from rushing totals?
No matter the metric, it would be evenly applied and revealing LSU has nowhere near the worst group of WRs in CFB as you would have tRant believe.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:41 am to AlxTgr
I disagree. For whatever reason the ball was not where it needed to be when it needed to be there. We played a good many zone teams early where we were throwing less than 50 percent. There is not an excuse that flys when the top producers were throwing for 70 percent.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:47 am to tigerfoot
quote:Yes. You've made your point 100 times - Joe is an average QB at best (but you are a HUGE fan). Right?
I disagree. For whatever reason the ball was not where it needed to be when it needed to be there. We played a good many zone teams early where we were throwing less than 50 percent. There is not an excuse that flys when the top producers were throwing for 70 percent.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:56 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I like how you're giving the guy shite when hes clearly a tigers fan. And your name is Buckeye Jeaux and you obviously just want to defend Burrow against any and all criticism
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:56 am to UpToPar
Your application of reading comprehension and understanding of how a denominator works is refreshing. Wow.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:59 am to Buckeye Jeaux
CFBs stats for this are sketchy as hell.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:01 am to Pipeline
quote:As is your ability to completely miss the central point. i.e., that CFB Film Room is a rank amateur operation that is often confused with a professional stats site.
Your application of reading comprehension and understanding of how a denominator works is refreshing. Wow.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:01 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I do t know why pointing out flaws is seen as a negative. I swear.
Joe was the best option we had, I am grateful for him coming to LSU.
I would think he was harder on himself than any one. I also think he will show improvement as he did w the seasons progression.
His moxie and attitude make it impossible not to like him. Every player can improve. Joe is no exception
Joe was the best option we had, I am grateful for him coming to LSU.
I would think he was harder on himself than any one. I also think he will show improvement as he did w the seasons progression.
His moxie and attitude make it impossible not to like him. Every player can improve. Joe is no exception
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:05 am to tigerfoot
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Burriw was terribly inaccurate for a large part of the season.
This is just not true. I don't understand why people feel the need for hyperbole to make a point when it invalidates everything they say afterwards.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:08 am to UGATiger26
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Depending on how you're keeping score at home, someone could say LSU had anywhere from 2 to 4 drops in the Miami game. That's a 100% difference so yeah, multiply that subjectivity by 10 games, and you'll get some messed up stats.
Just as subjective as targeting.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
“ was terribly in accurate for a large part of the season “
“ this is just not true”
The LSU passing completion percentage ranked 12tb in the SEC.
“ this is just not true”
The LSU passing completion percentage ranked 12tb in the SEC.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
What substantiates close to the worst completion rate in the sec?
Accuracy?
It’s not hyperbole to say 47%, as it was early in, sucks. And there is no way you can exclude the QB from the equation
Franks is terribly inaccurate. He was a percentage higher than Burrow on the season
Scrounging for reasons why our completion percentages were so low ignores the most obvious.
The most obvious reason is generally the most accurate.
To say otherwise would assume that the top ranked QBs experienced no issues thru the year. That is not true.
Some if not all of the other issues are applicable but a percentage rate in the 40s(as was the case for a good portion of the year(I have stated Burrow improved a bunch)) there isn’t an explanation that doesn’t include QB play.
Accuracy?
It’s not hyperbole to say 47%, as it was early in, sucks. And there is no way you can exclude the QB from the equation
Franks is terribly inaccurate. He was a percentage higher than Burrow on the season
Scrounging for reasons why our completion percentages were so low ignores the most obvious.
The most obvious reason is generally the most accurate.
To say otherwise would assume that the top ranked QBs experienced no issues thru the year. That is not true.
Some if not all of the other issues are applicable but a percentage rate in the 40s(as was the case for a good portion of the year(I have stated Burrow improved a bunch)) there isn’t an explanation that doesn’t include QB play.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:18 am
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