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re: Burrow & SEC QBs drop rate vs NFL's - CFB Film Room Debunked
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:39 am to mtntiger
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:39 am to mtntiger
quote:
As the OP stated, it depends on who is doing the analysis and what that person decides is a drop.
For some folks, a drop is anything that the receiver gets his hands on that does not result in a catch. It does not matter what the circumstance is.
I'm more forgiving on drops. If the ball goes through the receiver's hands (like the Eagles receiver the other day), then that's a drop.
Yeah, drops can be very subjective, especially when they're being tallied by non-professional volunteers.
For example, looking back at the Miami game, there were two clear drops where the receiver got both hands on the ball with no DB making contact.
Then there were two other "drops" where it could've certainly been caught, but there was a DB right there making a play on the ball as well.
Depending on how you're keeping score at home, someone could say LSU had anywhere from 2 to 4 drops in the Miami game. That's a 100% difference
so yeah, multiply that subjectivity by 10 games, and you'll get some messed up stats. This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 8:42 am
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:39 am to La Place Mike
But the data says they weren’t dropping balls
Burrow was ranked 88th in completion percentage
The OP would have you to believe he is one of a few QBs that had any challenges.
Burrow had to improve, he did. Balls were delivered better and more accurately and his numbers went up. He can improve more
Haskins completed 70 percent.
The joe defender thought he got screwed at OSU too.
I see a trend of the OP looking for excuses for Burrow. Thank God Burrow doesn’t think the same way
Burrow was ranked 88th in completion percentage
The OP would have you to believe he is one of a few QBs that had any challenges.
Burrow had to improve, he did. Balls were delivered better and more accurately and his numbers went up. He can improve more
Haskins completed 70 percent.
The joe defender thought he got screwed at OSU too.
I see a trend of the OP looking for excuses for Burrow. Thank God Burrow doesn’t think the same way
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:43 am to tigerfoot
All the same nega-tigers defending the cheeseball amateur site that claims Burrow's WRs were sure-handed compared to the rest of the SEC. Ridiculous! LOL
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:44 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Do they state their criteria?
I wouldnt Be surprised if a lot of our drops don’t get counted because they excuse them for coverage reasons.
I wouldnt Be surprised if a lot of our drops don’t get counted because they excuse them for coverage reasons.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:47 am to TrevRollings29
quote:
For all the WR drop and bad OL - go find average time possessing the ball before getting rid of it. NFL Time to Throw is 2.55 (Derek Carr) maxing out at just 3.22 seconds (Josh Allen).
I rarely saw LSU get rid of the ball that fast this year.
I'd agree with that point. But that is scheme, not QB play. Way too many long-developing pass plays. Hope all that changes drastically with a new passing-game/WR coach.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 8:49 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:49 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:This isn't true according to their site and there are guidelines for their stats.
50 or more CFB "advanced analysts" may have contributed to the SEC drop chart. Each with their own opinion on drops.
I happen to agree sacks shouldn't be used against rush yard totals, which is what they refer to regarding "rushing and passing yards".
Are you arguing there's a different metric for LSU's drop rate than the other 13 SEC teams?
If not, then your point with NFL is moot, besides previously mentioned fact NFL WRs are the best that CFB has to offer.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
So they only have a bias against Joe
Why do Tuas numbers pass the eye test.
Just ol Joe getting screwed again. The stats are skewed just in regard to him
Why do Tuas numbers pass the eye test.
Just ol Joe getting screwed again. The stats are skewed just in regard to him
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:51 am to Mayhawman
quote:
Are you arguing there's a different metric for LSU's drop rate than the other 13 SEC teams?
If not, then your point with NFL is moot, besides previously mentioned fact NFL WRs are the best that CFB has to offer.
No. I'm saying rank amateurs are allowed to grade game film with zero professional requirements. TOTAL Amateur Hour
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:55 am to Buckeye Jeaux
As are your perceptions.
The problem you have is that by every metric Joe has a real bad first half of the season.
He was the worst ranked starter in the SEC for a long while.
You will blame everyone else, but there was one common denominator.
The problem you have is that by every metric Joe has a real bad first half of the season.
He was the worst ranked starter in the SEC for a long while.
You will blame everyone else, but there was one common denominator.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:01 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
And the highest drop rate in the NFL is 5.5%. While the lowest drop rate in the SEC is 8.7%.
You went through all that without even realizing that you’re looking at two different stats. The NFL stats you quotes are the percentage of targets that are dropped. The CFB stat is the percentage of incompletions that are dropped.
One would expect the percentage of targets dropped to be lower given that more than half of those targets will be completions.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:02 am to tigerfoot
quote:
As are your perceptions.
The problem you have is that by every metric Joe has a real bad first half of the season.
By all metrics? BS. The only one that matters is W/L. LSU was 5-1 and ranked.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:02 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:excuse 1000
I'd agree with that point. But that is scheme, not QB play
Man this is pathetic
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Is this thread about the team? I’ve never seen you concerned with the team.
If so maybe you should change the Thread title......and the content.
The fact that the team played well enough to overcome rough QB play is thread worthy.
If so maybe you should change the Thread title......and the content.
The fact that the team played well enough to overcome rough QB play is thread worthy.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:08 am to Buckeye Jeaux
The key variable I see is the NFL numbers are drops as a percentage of targets (which would imply that catches are included in the denominator), while the college part is drops as a percentage of incompletions, removing completions from the denominator.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:09 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:If they have a guideline, as stated, it wouldn't take a brain surgeon to record the stats.
No. I'm saying rank amateurs are allowed to grade game film with zero professional requirements.
It might be their metric indicates a pass play stripped by DB was catchable and recorded a drop.
As posted earlier, it would be normalized across all 14 teams unless you think there's a Burreaux Conspiracy.
There was also a stat study by same site regarding LSU lack of YAC that you don't seem to have near as much issue with.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:11 am to tigerfoot
quote:
Is this thread about the team? I’ve never seen you concerned with the team.
If so maybe you should change the Thread title......and the content.
The fact that the team played well enough to overcome rough QB play is thread worthy.
Joe's team mates speak highly of him. It's just you, and your tribe.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:11 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I thought the original post was BS. A worst drop rate of 5.5% seems about right.
Its all in the definition of drop I guess. I could be running down the field full blast and have the pass thrown too early and hit my back heel with a defender tearing my arm off and my dad would ask me why I dropped that pass.
Its all in the definition of drop I guess. I could be running down the field full blast and have the pass thrown too early and hit my back heel with a defender tearing my arm off and my dad would ask me why I dropped that pass.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:13 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
NFL's drop chart for 2016 -
Worst drop-rate in the NFL - 5.5%
Worst drop-rate in SEC - 25.3% (according to CFB) LOL
You just compared drop rate to percentage of incompletions
And multiple people fricking agreed with you. Our fan base is so freaking stupid
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:14 am to Mayhawman
quote:
There was also a stat study by same site regarding LSU lack of YAC that you don't seem to have near as much issue with.
As soon as it was posted, I said I give no credence to any CFB stat. Anonymous dudes on an anonymous unverified clickbait site.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:14 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I knew the receivers sucked!
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