re: BRPD releasing the Koy Moore bodycam footage this afternoon.

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Now you don’t lie, how many criminal cases have you argued in court? How many have you won where you were able to argue successfully about the lack of reasonable suspicion? How many have you lost?

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None, criminal law doesn’t pay shite.

I think I could. You act like it’s really all that hard.

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Wrong. They did it for the potential threat that existed. The fact that they wanted compliance is not the sole purpose for drawing a firearm. Police give lawful orders all the time without guns drawn when the situation calls for that. Sometimes situations change and present a potential threat and the police will change and adapt to that in most situations.

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I saw zero threat from either guy. Sometimes situations change, but this wasn't one of those times. And you have to wait for a situation to change before you pull a gun.

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There are cases every year where an officer didn’t pick up on subtle clues that things may go south. These are things that are used in training that we learn from to be better prepared. Those aren’t going to come up in a news article about the incidents

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Maybe one or two at most. Just look through the odmp.org reports. The ambushes really didn't have any clues as officers were killed before they got out of a car, through doors, etc. Many like the King Sooper the cop had their weapon drawn, but were simply outgunned as they didn't know the location of the shooter.

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The case would be over and done with and you’d still be pleading to the judge about the reasonable suspicion that he already ruled existed. Then you’d appeal and get the same result.

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I’m sure you have some case law to support that.

I mean You haven’t so far, but hat, why let that stop you now.

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Yeah precedent that’s already been established that police are not required to rule out every innocent possibility.

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Not relevant here.

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Also, many actual court cases I’ve been a part of. If you think their case would have been thrown out if criminal charges resulted, you’re wrong.

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You mean if there was more evidence of an actual crime? Yeah reasonable suspicion always seems a lot more reasonable when you’re right.

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I’ve seen so many cases with reasonable suspicion less than what they had and they are continuously upheld.

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Bulllshit and if not, that’s indicative or a really fricking problem in the court system.

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Don’t reference precedent in your previous posts if it isn’t relevant.

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What the frick are you talking about.

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Yeah like if probable cause existed for an arrest. Guess what, though. When it came to court, the reasonable suspicion would have to be established and allowed before they got to probable cause.

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I disagree. Of course, it’s hard to argue with you when you make up facts in support.

A trait we all admire in police.

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Just because you didn’t, doesn’t mean they didn’t. They don’t get or have to have the ability if hindsight. The courts understand the dangerous nature of the job. Officers have been killed many times from “unarmed, harmless, or people presenting no Initial threat”. The thread would be when you have two people who are initially hiding and reluctant to obey lawful orders. What should the officer assume is going to take place? Why should he/she have to no there is absolutely no threat?

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Because there is absolutely no threat. But maybe the cop could read minds.

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I watch more than one or two training videos of officers being killed every year. Again, it’s irrelevant what number you come up with. 1 or 2 is high enough anyway.

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It was a question I was asked. I answered. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question. Ffs.

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Also, ODMP just gives line of duty deaths

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Once again, the question was about how many officers are killed. To remind you of YOUR QUESTION:

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Do you know how many officers have been murdered because they were too slow to react and didn’t draw their weapon when they should have?

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Because there is absolutely no threat. But maybe the cop could read minds

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Yeah again, many officers have been killed by people “who were no threat”. I’m glad you could read minds and knew how the situation would go with no harm coming to anyone. Good for you. We don’t all have that ability.

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Once again, the question was about how many officers are killed.

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They can protect themself in instances besides just the ones they died in. The underlying issue is whether or not the cops have the right to perceive certain indicators as a possible threat to their safety.

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Again. Bull shite.

Provide an example.

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How would you know? You’ve never been in a criminal court or tried a case. I’m not sure you’ve been in a civil court at this point. You wouldn’t accept it anyway. There are millions of cases on the books where very thin reasonable suspicion was upheld. You probably know this which is why you hate it and continue to try to make arguments about this case.

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You’re dumb as a rock. I wasn’t Saying precedent in general isn’t relevant. I’m saying what you said was irreverent.

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Saying that the precedent of not having to rule out every innocent possibility is not relevant to this case? Okay good one. And I’m the dumb one.

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You have made up facts to support your argument throughout this thread. You don’t know anything about reported crimes in the parking garage or area. Yet that was part of your arguement for reasonable suspicion. A large part of it

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Again, facts aren’t made up. Reasonable suspicion can and does absolutely include possible scenarios that may or may not have actually happened. It is used on a daily basis. You just don’t like it. That’s your problem, not mine. What I know is that crimes of vehicle larcenies and trespassing occur regularly in unsecure parking garages where there is plenty of opportunity to steal valuable items or vehicles. Again, this is a daily thing and these offers would know that without having previous reported calls. I said they may have knowledge of previously reported incidents there. I never said they did. It really doesn’t matter. The potential for the crime exists regardless. Good luck arguing in court that it doesn’t.

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I known you’re full of shite and dumb as a door nail.

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This is all you have left. A judge would be shaking his/her head at you and I’m the dumb one. Okay.

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You act like not cop has every had evidence thrown out because of this.

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No I don’t.

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It happens. There are cases. They’re are appeals that are won.

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There are many cases. There are many cases upheld on appeal with thin reasonable suspicion that you still wouldn’t agree with.

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You can’t even define reasonable suspicion and you think you’ve never violated someone’s civil rights.

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No it’s been referenced here many times. I saw no reason to rehash it. We just disagree with whether or not it was present here. Reasonable suspicion and related references to it were used before I ever entered this conversation. I work very hard to never intentionally violate someone’s right. Do I believe I have ever done it? I can’t think of a time where I knowingly did or even found out later that I did. Does it happen? Sure. I think in most cases it is still done unintentionally based off lack of knowledge. In this case, Moore’s rights weren’t violated.

You seem like the kind of cop who can’t define reasonable suspicion and is the reason black people don’t trust cops.