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re: Brennan vs Johnson Part II: The Tape
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:00 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:00 am to Lester Earl
quote:OMG! You are trying soooo hard. Its precious.
Says the guy that just learned they deduct sack yards from rushing totals lol
ETA. This is classic Lester BTW. Somehow claiming you need a running QB to adequately run the Joe Brady offense turns in to a hissy fit about how the NCAA calculates rushing yards.
ETA again. Sorry, I should have said the Joe Morehead offense.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 9:05 am
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:07 am to SammyTiger
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Johnson is above an average athlete
His measurements are on par with Trevor Lawrence to put it into perspective. Their measurements at camps (power throw, etc) were identical.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:08 am to Vacherie Saint
Sean Payton’s college adapted offense. Lmao
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:23 am to Lester Earl
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Sean Payton’s college adapted offense
That's exactly what it is. Its an RPO/West Coast rendition of the Saints offense. You think the Carolina Panthers hired him to run the Penn State offense from 2016?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:34 am to rmnldr
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His measurements are on par with Trevor Lawrence to put it into perspective. Their measurements at camps (power throw, etc) were identical.
Hope you are correct, but I hope he is more accurate than Lawrence.
I don't believe he has Lawrence's ability to make tacklers miss, nor his top speed.
For a big man Lawrence is very elusive.
Johnson's positives, IMO, is his calm demeanor and his knowledge of the game.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:46 am to Dstllsu
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Max had another two rushing TD's to add to his total (12 vs 11)
No he didn't. 10 total tds. I included the rushing
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As for Yds Per Play, this can be very "situational"
No.. that's literally every play. It's the opposite of situational
My bad on the TD's. You included them (11 vs 10 TD's). Not a big difference between the two.
As for "situational", Max's overall YPP suffers due to his running stats (7.1 to 5.8). He got a number of 3rd down and 1 or 2's. These situations lower his overall YPP stats. They aren't designed for big yardage gains. Myles wasn't asked to do this nearly as much as Max (or at least I don't recall him being asked to run on 3rd/4th down much).
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:49 am to Vacherie Saint
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You think the Carolina Panthers hired him to run the Penn State offense from 2016?
A lot closer to that style than the Saints style
Heavy shotgun (71% vs Saints 52%)
Bridgewater with the run variants. Saints did none of this until Taysom hill came along. Even when Teddy started games. Not sure how much more of a basic comparison you need.
Joe Moorhead is one of the most respected CFB minds in the country, btw. You keep mocking him like he is Steve Ensminger or something.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:49 am to BayouCowboy
The rant being so heavy on Johnson makes it clear Brennan will be the starter. This place is habitually incorrect
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:55 am to skullhawk
Actually they have a phantom penalty against max that took away a 72 yard pass and a td , people can yap all they want bout Brennan but max saved our season with considerably less talent and a top five opponent on the verge of making the playoffs, the idiot that said it if wasn’t for the shoe, we wouldn’t be having this conservation, sounds like cry baby gator fan
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:05 am to BayouCowboy
This is a great frickin post
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:07 am to Lester Earl
No one is mocking Joe Moorehead. I'm mocking you.
I already explained to you why the saints like to go under center so much. It has everything to do with personnel and defenses they face. You think Carolina going shotgun heavy in 20 might have had something to do with McCaffrey missing most of the season?
Again, nothing you are saying makes the point you originally set out to make. You just go and hunt for data and try to fit it into a narrative.
I already explained to you why the saints like to go under center so much. It has everything to do with personnel and defenses they face. You think Carolina going shotgun heavy in 20 might have had something to do with McCaffrey missing most of the season?
Again, nothing you are saying makes the point you originally set out to make. You just go and hunt for data and try to fit it into a narrative.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:08 am to Lester Earl
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Quick questions for you: Do you think they want to run Joe Brady's offense, or do you think they are lying?
Absolutely! But I expect Brennan to be given the first shot. After all he was here in 2019 and the others were not. I expect the coaches to see if his light has come on. I do not expect them to sacrifice any games for it though.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:13 am to Vacherie Saint
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It has everything to do with personnel and defenses they face.
The Saints had this balance long before Kamara dude. It’s Sean patrons m.o. Its not Alvin Kamara
How Joe Brady has ran his offense for 2 seasons has been nothing like that. The plays are different, and what he asks of his QB are different.
I go “hunt for data” because it backs up exactly what I am saying lol. Ever try making educated thoughts? It gets people upset when they can’t refute it, and that feels pretty good
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:36 am to Lester Earl
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How Joe Brady has ran his offense for 2 seasons has been nothing like that. The plays are different, and what he asks of his QB are different.
How he ran it where? Brady was at LSU one season and was an offensive assistant (TEs and QBs) at NO (film guy).
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:38 am to BayouCowboy
LSU 2019
Carolina Panthers 2020
2 seasons calling plays
Carolina Panthers 2020
2 seasons calling plays
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:42 am to Lester Earl
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LSU 2019 Carolina Panthers 2020 2 seasons calling plays
Ah, OK. I thought you meant with one team.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:45 am to Dstllsu
Brennan also had gilbert and terrace marshall in addition to boutte.
Max only had boutte.
You have to take that into account when posting their numbers.
Max and tua are actually very similar in play style.
Max only had boutte.
You have to take that into account when posting their numbers.
Max and tua are actually very similar in play style.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:51 am to Lester Earl
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The Saints had this balance long before Kamara dude.
You mean like when they had guys like Reggie Bush, Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, and Darren Sproles? They like to run out of the shotgun because they use more play action. Brady favored running out of the RPO/shotgun look at LSU because its more QB friendly, easier to fool college defenders, and because Emsminger ran it. shite, Payton even ran RPO and wildcat out of the shotgun with Taysom Hill. Its a massive playbook, but its all the same stuff adjusted for specific personnel. Peetz will probably do the same thing. What's your point?
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I go “hunt for data” because it backs up exactly what I am saying lol. Ever try making educated thoughts? It gets people upset when they can’t refute it, and that feels pretty good
That only happens in your head, friend. People have been "refuting" your shite this entire thread. You having the resiliency of a cockroach doesn't mean your points are good. Nitpicking shotgun snap counts is not evidence that the Joe Brady 2019 offense wasn't a highly adaptable, college version of the Payton/Carmichael scheme, and its certainly not evidence that Brennan's lack of open field running ability limits LSU any more than Max's lack of zip or inability to make NFL throws does(for now).
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:58 am to Chalkywhite84
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Brennan also had gilbert and terrace marshall in addition to boutte. Max only had boutte. You have to take that into account when posting their numbers. Max and tua are actually very similar in play style.
True, but Ingram was out for Mizzou and we rushed for 49 yards that game. We also lost Gilbert. Remember the throw that sailed through Carter's hands in the endzone. If Ingram plays we punch it in from the 1 and win. If Gilbert was in he likely catches the TD pass to put us up further ahead of Mizzou.
Against Miss St our blocking was horrible. Shanahan was getting pushed back and assignments were missed along the OL. It improved as the season progressed.
Ensminger also said he simplified the playbook for Johnson/Finley. How many times was Boutte wide open on drag routes?
I do agree that having Marshall and Gilbert helped A LOT, but the above did benefit Max.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:04 am to BayouCowboy
Brennan was shaky at the start of the season last year, but still was putting up big numbers. That really isn't a contradiction because in the first two games we were basically running the Burrow offense. In my estimation he was just starting to get into a real groove when he was injured. I wouldn't anticipate the shaky start this year because he's already done that.
Max was the third option last year because he wasn't ready when Brennan went down. He came in looking damn good and obviously has huge upside. He also should look better this year due to his experience.
The bottom line is that if Brennan looks as good in fall practice as everyone expects him to look, he should get first shot. But I would have no problem with either guy starting. This should be a very exciting year for the offense.
Max was the third option last year because he wasn't ready when Brennan went down. He came in looking damn good and obviously has huge upside. He also should look better this year due to his experience.
The bottom line is that if Brennan looks as good in fall practice as everyone expects him to look, he should get first shot. But I would have no problem with either guy starting. This should be a very exciting year for the offense.
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