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re: Billy Cannon Punt Return
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:09 pm to overthehilltiger
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:09 pm to overthehilltiger
quote:How fast did he run from da Fedz?
You young guys have no concept of how much of a freak Cannnon was in his day. I ran track against him in high school. He won what would now be the 5A state title in the 100 and shot on the same day. There was one player (offensive lineman) bigger than him on the 58 team and he ran the hundred in 9.8. He ran over 6 players on that punt return.
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Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:09 pm to BBATiger
Did Kinchen play offense, defense and special teams? Cannon intercepted a pass earlier in the game. I have to think he was a little more tired than Kinchen was when Kinchen scored on his return.
Cannon was LSU's punter for most of the season (44 punts, 40.3 avg.), was the main kick returner (eight kickoffs, 23.8 avg., and 15 punts, 14.7 avg.).. He was a huge force on defense, with four interceptions he returned 145 yards (47.6 per interception). One of them came in the Ole Miss game.
You have to wonder, by late October, what kind of toll that workload would have taken on Kinchen, and by the fourth quarter of the game, what those multiple roles (offense, defense, punts and all returns) would have done to take a little something away from Kinchen's legs.
Different eras, different contexts. It's pretty hard for the ESPN generation to get that sometimes.
I'd say they're both spectacular returns, but they cannot be evaluated without fully understanding the context (of which I merely scratched the surface).
Cannon was LSU's punter for most of the season (44 punts, 40.3 avg.), was the main kick returner (eight kickoffs, 23.8 avg., and 15 punts, 14.7 avg.).. He was a huge force on defense, with four interceptions he returned 145 yards (47.6 per interception). One of them came in the Ole Miss game.
You have to wonder, by late October, what kind of toll that workload would have taken on Kinchen, and by the fourth quarter of the game, what those multiple roles (offense, defense, punts and all returns) would have done to take a little something away from Kinchen's legs.
Different eras, different contexts. It's pretty hard for the ESPN generation to get that sometimes.
I'd say they're both spectacular returns, but they cannot be evaluated without fully understanding the context (of which I merely scratched the surface).
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:10 pm to redstick56
don't hate. #20 just makin' that money.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:43 pm to BBATiger
quote:
Billy Cannon Punt Return
Was it really that great?
C'mon Maaannnn!
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:49 pm to overthehilltiger
quote:yards you mean
he ran the hundred in 9.8.
i thought you meant meters at first
This post was edited on 10/27/09 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:53 pm to BBATiger
DUKE?
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:53 pm to Louie T
9.8 is pretty fast, especially back then. Those guys didn't 'train' per se. They just put on these silly track shoes, if they had them, and ran like hell. Make no mistake about it, Cannon was the dude back in the day. Give him today's training regimen, you could only wish.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:56 pm to hacanms
Love how the rationale is that because he went to jail that somehow subtracts from the greatness he was as an LSU football player.
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:57 pm to hacanms
quote:i hate when people say that
Give him today's training regimen, you could only wish.
if he's playing against people today, he would need that training regimen
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:57 pm to Geauxtiga
quote:
It never ceases to amaze me this continued worship of Billy Cannon A CONVICTED CRIMINAL. The run obviusly was memorable but that does not forgive his counterfiting..
you may have not forgiven him, but the courts and society have...he served his time and rehabbed his image. i'm not even sure it's still a crime to print $50 million in counterfit money.
This post was edited on 10/27/09 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 10/27/09 at 11:58 pm to PistolaVeloce
quote:cecil collins was maybe the best lsu player ever
Love how the rationale is that because he went to jail that somehow subtracts from the greatness he was as an LSU football player.
Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:08 am to Louie T
quote:
Give him today's training regimen, you could only wish.
i hate when people say that
Sorry, didn't mean to ruin your day. My statement just means that if he was that good of an athlete against his competition then, I would think the comparison would be the same. To see him on today's team with the training they do nowadays, who's to say he would not be as good against today's competition in comparison. I doubt it would be that glaring, but you could only wish.
Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:13 am to hacanms
Because Cecil Collins had such a marvelous career.
There have been many of great athletes at LSU. Cannons career as a Tiger was great.
There have been many of great athletes at LSU. Cannons career as a Tiger was great.
Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:28 am to BBATiger
quote:
Was it really that great?
It's all my father can talk about sometimes.
Too bad that blocked kick against Bamma last year wasn't run back for a TD. that would have beaten Billy Cannon's run.
Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:42 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
Too bad that blocked kick against Bamma last year wasn't run back for a TD. that would have beaten Billy Cannon's run.
That would have been epic! Since when did Cecil when the Heisman and a National Championship? How do you feel about Vick since you think so little of Billy Cannon?
Posted on 10/28/09 at 6:47 am to TigerNlc
Whatever anyone thinks of Billy Cannon is irrelevant. What is relevant it that Billy Cannon was the first to put LSU football in the National spotlite and Cannon became a "house hold name". To all you youngsters out there, just because Cannon comes from the era of "3 yards and a cloud of dust" and "black and white imagery", you all need to understand HISTORY and what it means to the future.
Buz
Buz
This post was edited on 10/28/09 at 6:59 am
Posted on 10/28/09 at 6:48 am to overthehilltiger
quote:
5A state title in the 100 and shot on the same day.
I have always maintained that Cannon was either the fastest shot-putter or the strongest dashman in history.
That run was epic - in every way possible.
Posted on 10/28/09 at 7:30 am to BBATiger
quote:
Really.
Hester Run back against Powerhouse Duke
So you compare Devin Hester's run back against Duke to Cannon's runback against the number one defense at that time?
Posted on 10/28/09 at 7:31 am to ChineseBandit58
And the other factor often ignored when his run comes up every yr is that he, Warren Rabb, & Johnny Robinson were all in on the goal line stand late in the 4th quarter that saved the game. Rabb & Cannon actually made the last 2 tackles on the 1 yr line. Coach Deitzel has always said that for Cannon to make that run late in the game with the humidity that nite, after playing both ways the whole game, was the most athletic play he's ever seen.
Posted on 10/28/09 at 7:54 am to alwaysknow
quote:
you may have not forgiven him, but the courts and society have...he served his time and rehabbed his image.
this
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