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re: Bill Walsh on the Les Miles philosophy of football

Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:03 am to
Posted by roygu
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:03 am to
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FWIW....that's also the Nick Saban philosophy of football


Choctaw, that doesn't compute.

Nick Saban said recently, they knew they would have a difficult time running against the Michigan St DL so they knew Coker would have to make some plays through the air so the schemed for it.
Remember Miles running Fournette, time after time, into the Alabama "brick wall". Then we lined up and did it again.
In 2011, after JJ was inept, Miles continued the same plays over and over.
Posted by vjm41
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:28 am to
Not losing to inferior teams? Remember the NC year of 07, after having lost to KENTUCKY we were fortunate enough to climb back to #1 by the end of season, all we needed was a win over Arkansas, Miles called them AR-Kansas had their State and team seeing red, kicked our butts and blew our chance for a NC, but as we know 3 teams had to lose on the same night, and by sum MIRACLE it happen, and by far the most talented team in the Country got to play(thanks to the sports writers) the NC game with 2 loses./ I'm still waiting for Miles to take the bull by the horn, recruit a QB and when his first NC, by TAKING IT
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 7:30 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:32 am to
I was at the National Championship against tOSU.

Miles, team, and staff "took" that game halfway through the first quarter.

After losing late in the year and lining up against a good opponent in the NC.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:34 am to
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but as we know 3 teams had to lose on the same night, and by sum MIRACLE it happen, and by far the most talented team in the Country got to play(thanks to the sports writers) the NC game with 2 loses./ I'm still waiting for Miles to take the bull by the horn, recruit a QB and when his first NC, by TAKING IT


I love when people try to shite on a NC team because of the coach. They always leave out the 2 games after UK
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 7:37 am
Posted by Mulerider
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:35 am to
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I don't think LSU loses to inferior teams.


The Arkansas RazorFags beat us regularly. Please take this comment back considering they are one of the all time cellar dwellers in the SEC West. Ole Miss is good but has inferior talent at LSU at the majority of positions.

Posted by Mulerider
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:37 am to
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I was at the National Championship against tOSU.

Miles, team, and staff "took" that game halfway through the first quarter.


You can't compare a very polished Matt Flynn and that offense to the garbage offenses we have had since then. If we had a QB as developed as Flynn we would have won at least two more NC's since then.

Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:37 am to
Lsu has won 3 of the last 5 how is that "regularly?"
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:38 am to
Sometimes it is easy to spot a sidewalk fan
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:39 am to
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If we had that TT QB I believe we would be playing in Glendale this weekend.


Maybe, but I don't think so. Not with the way our D played

And yes, having one of the best quarterbacks in CFB history would make us a better team

Still, tebow isn't exactly a Rhodes scholar. He was a fullback with a good deep ball who played in an extremely QB friendly offense. Quick throws with 1 read. Lots of playaction, even with an empty backfield
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42743 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:49 am to
WTF is this word salad you are trying to pass off as fact.

When in doubt; go circular and talk in tongues. Confuse them with anything that doesn't make sense?
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:13 am to
Great book.


Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16107 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:25 am to
what Walsh is saying isn't some brilliant insightful thought it's just common sense. Miles/Cam have been a little slow on the uptake in this area, but they know this now which is why they have been trying to develop a passing game lately. Just hasn't worked out as well as they, the players, and the fans would like it to for a variety of reasons. Harris inaccurateness, Miles/Cams not being fully as familiar with the modern passing game as other coaches, problems with execution, etc. These problems are being delt with and LSU is adapting. Just taking a little more time than expected. By next season LSU is going to be up to speed with the rest of the football world in this area.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 8:38 am
Posted by WiscyTiger
Bear Lake, WI
Member since Nov 2008
1429 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:30 am to
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Teams that depend on the pass have the same trouble


Maybe so, but we don't need to run the TTU air-raid offense, we just need balance and creativity on offense. The problem is predictability. Being run-heavy is fine, as other posters have pointed out with Bama this year.

As far as recruiting more good passing pro-style QBs, I am all for that, but I'm not sure they wouldn't just regress in our offensive system. It may not be the "answer" to our problems on offense. Miles needs to make serious changes (like let your OC do his job), or he needs to go.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 8:34 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42743 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:32 am to
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drafting


Way whu?
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:33 am to
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FWIW....that's also the Nick Saban philosophy of football


When is the last time Saban lost a few times a year?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42743 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:34 am to
When was the last time Miles had more 5* recruits?
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:36 am to
Yet we put as many, if not more, quality players in the NFL
Posted by cheeser
downtown Fishville
Member since Feb 2007
2541 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:37 am to
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Bill Walsh on the Les Miles philosophy of footballquote:"Teams that depend on their running game typically get upset a few times a year by an inferior opponent that doesn't apply to LSU. I can't recall miles losing to inferior opponents. it's just that we lose to teams as good or better than us.


Well, if I didn't know better, these losses seem to be when we are outcoached. Miles' offense doesn't take a astronaut to plan for. If our defense or special teams can't win the game, or least give the offense a short field continually , our chances of beating a team with equal personnel are slim.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:41 am to
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Remember Miles running Fournette, time after time, into the Alabama "brick wall". Then we lined up and did it again.


LSU O plays in the 1/2 half:

LF rushes the ball 8 times
BH passes/rushes the ball 13 times
Other players rush the ball 2 times

I don't see some abnormal/stubborn use of a RB with the talent of a LF.

While the LSU O did struggle, we should note the BH int. which gave Bama a 28 yd TD drive to start the 2nd 1/2 and the LSU D allowing almost 300 rushing for playing mighty big roles in that L as well. imo

Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42743 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:43 am to
Sabi, I'm not saying we don't; but the OPs arguement is saying we lose to inferior talent. Saban consistently has more 5* recruits, and we consistently lose to Bama. Or have been lately.

And I don't know what stance you have on Miles; but to say he loses a college game regularly to a super talented team; only to put more players in the NFL than said team would tell me, that has something to do with being a good coach, right?
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