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re: Ben Simmons impact
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:15 pm to Madking
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:15 pm to Madking
quote:
ns impact by Madking
But Simmons was suspended so how is your “he was untouchable and Jones hands were tied” narrative true? News flash it’s not true.
Forgot that, too little too late.
But he got away with murder.
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Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:15 pm to Number 9 Fan
You keep saying “I felt” or “Simmons didn’t play with heart”. These are unknowable opinions and the only measurable fact is production which is unquestionable. If the guy quit on his team why’d he score 33 in the last meaningless game of the season? You don’t make sense.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:16 pm to Number 9 Fan
What did he get away with?
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:20 pm to Number 9 Fan
During the SEC tourney Antonio Blakeney even eluded to the fact that it was Quarterman who tore the team apart not Simmons. So I guess Blakeney was part of the conspiracy and problem to cover for Simmons too right?
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:23 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:
People have amazingly stupid takes on Simmons' short time here.
Without Simmons that year we are a basement dweller. He had a great season. Blame JJ for being a fricking terrible coach as to why they couldnt get in the tournament.
He averaged 19 points, 12 boards, 5 assists and a block per game on 56% from the floor and had a 29 PER. I shouldn't have to explain how that's one of the most ridiculous freshman seasons you'll ever see an LSU player have.
On any other competent program Simmons would have likely been the national player of the year with the numbers he put up at LSU. Simmons could have gone to ANY school in the country. Yet, he chose LSU early in the process and never wavered from that commitment. While here, HE put up great numbers. Sadly, he couldn't quite make up for the fact LSU had a SWAC-level coaching staff. Jones is a nice guy who is well liked. But it's not an accident his only HC opportunity post-LSU was at Texas Southern. Nor is it an accident he remained at North Texas for 11 years before Joe Alleva took the path of least resistance and hired someone who could get him back on the golf course as quickly as possible.
Now, the argument can be made that without Jones there is no Simmons at LSU, but from the very beginning of his tenure you knew LSU was simply just in basketball purgatory. Good enough to be quasi-relevant in a very weak era of SEC basketball. But not good enough to actually make any waves nationally...despite having some loaded rosters.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:24 pm to Number 9 Fan
quote:
He was untouchable. He didn’t have to follow team rules, practice or go to class. Some resented it.
Jones was not in position to do anything. His hands were tied.
Who gives a shite what a kid does in spending like 5-6 months here, he was one of the best freshmen we've ever had EASILY and played that way. The system is F'd up where we have NBA caliber players pretending to be college student for half a year right now, just the way it is. You think all those UK kids give a sh*t about school who just declare right after March?
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:29 pm to Madking
quote:
You keep saying “I felt” or “Simmons didn’t play with heart”. These are unknowable opinions and the only measurable fact is production which is unquestionable. If the guy quit on his team why’d he score 33 in the last meaningless game of the season? You don’t make sense.
You have an opinion, I have an opinion.
Yours is not any better than mine.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:31 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:
Who gives a shite what a kid does in spending like 5-6 months here, he was one of the best freshmen we've ever had EASILY and played that way. The system is F'd up where we have NBA caliber players pretending to be college student for half a year right now, just the way it is. You think all those UK kids give a sh*t about school who just declare right after March?
No argument here. The system is a joke.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:39 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:Jones was a horrific coach, and I said that many, many times on this board.
You're right. Johnny Jones didn't do his job getting the team ready to play
But Simmons didn't step up to lead his team. I noticed early on that he played with a quiet demeanor. At first, I liked it - I thought it was humility.
Then I figured out it was apathy.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 5:40 am
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:43 pm to Alt26
quote:surely you remember that the ONLY reason Simmons came to LSU was that his godfather, David Patrick, was on the coaching staff.
Now, the argument can be made that without Jones there is no Simmons at LSU
If Patrick was on staff at any other major conference program, Simmons would've gone there.
Let's not pretend he had any affinity for LSU.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:48 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:right. He passed up the game-winning shot against Marquette when he had the ball and was isolated with his defender. If he's not comfortable with a 15 foot jumper, go to the rack. But he passed. Even the the TV analyst was shocked.
Simmons can't shoot!"
"OMG Simmons passed instead of putting up a shot!"
And of course Ben flat out hid in the second half against Oklahoma, when Musberger and Vitale were BEGGING him to engage.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:55 pm to atltiger6487
Of corse you’re forgetting that in the second half of Oklahoma Ben would stand right there 10 feet away from TQ waiting the get the ball but TQ wanted the spotlight and wouldn’t pass the ball. TQ always considered himself equal to the M&M boys and thought he was the show and Jones messed up by moving him from the wing to the point his last year which ruined the offense and nullified TQs ability on defense. The reason we lost to Oklahoma is because TQ wore down in the second half and Hornsby had to be moved onto Buddy Hield. Hield went off in the second half and that’s how they came back.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:56 pm to Number 9 Fan
Yours is built on made up scenarios and false statements mine is based on stats and facts. That’s the difference.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:39 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
surely you remember that the ONLY reason Simmons came to LSU was that his godfather, David Patrick, was on the coaching staff.
And who put Patrick on his staff? Patrick was out of coaching when Jones was hired
Posted on 2/4/20 at 5:02 pm to Madking
quote:
Yours is built on made up scenarios and false statements mine is based on stats and facts. That’s the difference.
A guy can score 33 points in a game and that doesn’t prove he played D, had heart, worked hard, was a team player and never coasted.
No one ever said Simmons wasn’t a good player. He never bought in to playing college ball for LSU or showed the desire to lift his team up to a championship no matter what.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 5:13 pm to Number 9 Fan
Lift his team to a championship? Did Pistol, did Shaq, did CJ? So you hate those guys too? And as far as you dodging measurable stats and trying to use defense which isn’t tracked by most college websites it just proves you’re looking for corners to hide in. He wasn’t a team player? Lol he had one of the most complete and total freshman seasons in not only LSU but NCAA history. No other major college freshman led his team in more categories than Ben Simmons.
Scoring
Rebounding
Assists
Steals
Blocks
Fg%
He was also top 5 in the SEC in all those categories
Nothing you’ve said has been provable with data, it’s all just blatant biased and dishonest bashing of a player.
Scoring
Rebounding
Assists
Steals
Blocks
Fg%
He was also top 5 in the SEC in all those categories
Nothing you’ve said has been provable with data, it’s all just blatant biased and dishonest bashing of a player.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/4/20 at 5:19 pm to Number 9 Fan
If you had ever suited up in anything competitive you’d know that at that level it’s literally impossible to put up 33 points against the SEC champs with no jump shot and not be playing hard. The numbers alone and the way they were produced completely destroys this narrative that Simmons didn’t play hard. His coverage mapping alone at his size is unprecedented in college basketball.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 2/4/20 at 5:34 pm to Alt26
quote:Patrick was out of coaching for one year. He was hired in 2012. Simmons played for LSU in 2015.
And who put Patrick on his staff? Patrick was out of coaching when Jones was hired
You think Jones was that much of a genius to hire Simmons’ godfather 3 years before Ben was college-age?
Please.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:30 pm to Big Sway
I was intentionally vague with my post because I believe no team will ever win a championship with Ben. He's very good...until crunch time and i believe that will be his legacy....
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