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re: Before you declare JJ guilty.....
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I highly doubt JJ will be convicted of anything before this season concludes. The legal process isn't normally this swift.
If charges do not end up being dropped, Miles has done a "preemptive strike" and JJ has served his suspension and will be able to play while the case is spending.
This makes no sense. You want him suspended for something he may not have done. And then you think he should come back while that process is still pending?
So you are taking this suspension as it is Miles punishing him for the crime he has yet to be tried for?
I'm lost at this logic.
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:26 pm to Antonio Moss
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The witnesses were Lowery and the girl that was with him at 6:10 that morning.
That's not that much different than the stripper in the Duke Lacrosse case.
It's really stunning how similar the cases are. The only major difference is that the crimes are different, in type and severity.
One day, the JJ story will be a mirror image of the Duke case, or it will be an instance where the guilty until proven innocent crowd got it right.
Only time will tell.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:31 pm to tiger1014
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It's really stunning how similar the cases are. The only major difference is that the crimes are different, in type and severity.
Yes, the similarities are stunning.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:31 pm to tiger1014
I like to picture JJ stomping the marines head in slow motion to the mezmerizing tune of Savage Garden's Truly Madly Deeply
Ergo, he is guilty
Ergo, he is guilty
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:32 pm to tiger1014
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What does this even mean? Sounds like a failed attempt at philosophy.
I think I stated what it meant. It would be hard to make it simpler for you. By the way it is a fundamental truth of logic not philosophy.
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That's why I'm horrified at the thought of being wrongly accused of a crime where there is nothing but circumstantial but no hard evidence.
Well, if you had your way 99% of criminals would be walking the street. All I have to do is make sure no hard evidence exists and boom I'm innocent apparently. I think they should actually give more leniency to law enforcement in evidence gathering because of the difficulty in obtaining it with all the loops they have to jump through. You can require more evidence at the trial if you give more access to actually get it before it is disposed of or destroyed in the beginning.
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Kobe was innocent. He did not rape that woman.
Yes, he just had her blood all over his shirt and she was cool with the rough stuff until he skeeted on her face.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:38 pm to tiger1014
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This makes no sense. You want him suspended for something he may not have done. And then you think he should come back while that process is still pending?
If the evidence you have supports it, you bet.
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So you are taking this suspension as it is Miles punishing him for the crime he has yet to be tried for?
Partially. The other part is being a fricking dolt and getting involved in the first place while breaking curfew.
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I'm lost at this logic.
You haven't displayed any yet.
Miles is doing the right thing. He will have JJ back sooner than later. If anything, he avoids being forced to suspend him later, in the heat of the SEC schedule. JJ will have done his time (for the program) and it will be over.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:38 pm to TigerKnights
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Well, if you had your way 99% of criminals would be walking the street
Oh absolutely not. If you're guilty you deserve whatever the punishment is. I just think it is up to the state to prove that you did it. I don't believe it is up to the accused to prove they didn't do it.
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I think they should actually give more leniency to law enforcement in evidence gathering because of the difficulty in obtaining it with all the loops they have to jump through
Wow...lost cause
I actually do understand the argument people put up for the suspension of JJ. I just don't agree with it.
But this....wow. Police state. North Korea has a place for you. I recommend the documentary "Crossing the Line"
If you're ever accused of a crime, I'm sure you would appreciate your rights more. Just because you don't plan to commit or will never commit a crime does not mean you won't be wrongfully accused. And I feel like it takes people like you an experience like this to appreciate what you have here. Because you don't get it.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:38 pm to Antonio Moss
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The witnesses were Lowery and the girl that was with him at 6:10 that morning.
That's not that much different than the stripper in the Duke Lacrosse case.
And the 20 LSU football players that were there, they were witnesses. who did they finger for the kick?
Oh, thats right. They didnt identify anyone. 20 FB who saw nothing? or 20 FB that saw JJ, but state they saw nothing? You do the math.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:39 pm to theunknownknight
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Savage Garden's Truly Madly Deeply
Wow.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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JJ will have done his time (for the program) and it will be over.
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He will have JJ back sooner than later
Just because you think this does not make it true.
He will be out now unless the charges are dropped.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:41 pm to RobbBobb
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And the 20 LSU football players that were there, they were witnesses. who did they finger for the kick?
Oh, thats right. They didnt identify anyone. 20 FB who saw nothing? or 20 FB that saw JJ, but state they saw nothing? You do the math.
Do you understand how criminal law works?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:43 pm to Antonio Moss
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Do you understand how criminal law works?
They don't
They believe if someone says they saw you do it, there is no reason to even hear the other sides.
It's misguided at best. Disturbing/disgusting at worst
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:53 pm to tiger1014
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But this....wow. Police state. North Korea has a place for you. I recommend the documentary "Crossing the Line"
If you're ever accused of a crime, I'm sure you would appreciate your rights more. Just because you don't plan to commit or will never commit a crime does not mean you won't be wrongfully accused. And I feel like it takes people like you an experience like this to appreciate what you have here. Because you don't get it.
Yes, I should be wrongly accused of a crime so I can get what you do.
I'm also a socialist because I believe there should be restrictions on capitalism or the government should help those in need right? 
Being wrongly accused has nothing to do with police procedure. Those guidelines are to prevent police from skewing evidence. The chances that an officer accidentally touching something or forgetting to bag it actually change the relevance of the evidence is miniscule. The chances of a police conspiracy are also ridiculous. If an officer forgets to read your rights or wait for your attorney before taking your bloody shirt suddenly that shirt is irrelevant to your innocence or guilt?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:59 pm to tiger1014
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Just because you think this does not make it true.
He will be out now unless the charges are dropped.
Are you a woman? You sure as hell argue like one. Everything Miles has done so far according to the info released has been right on. Most people will agree. 
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I highly doubt JJ will be convicted of anything before this season concludes
There is zero chance LSU administration let's a student play while facing felony charges , zero.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 11:00 pm to tiger1014
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They believe if someone says they saw you do it, there is no reason to even hear the other sides.
It's misguided at best. Disturbing/disgusting at worst
You are fricking loony. You are being a huge drama queen.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 11:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most people will agree.
Most people also voted for Barack Obama for President. Doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.
All I said is that I would reserve judgement. And that I didn't think he should be suspended JUST based on being arrested. That's really all I said. I even said his suspension would be justified if it were for the sake of him focusing on his defense.
To me, an arrest/accusal of a crime doesn't make you ineligible to play college football.
People like you said you said things like you wanted police to have more power...things of that nature. That I wanted 99% of criminals to be free.
I just don't believe we should err on the side of guilty. There isn't even a "rapist teaching our kids" argument in this. There is not even a minor risk to society.
If it can be proven that he's guilty, he'll get what he deserves.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 11:15 pm to CptBengal
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There is zero chance LSU administration let's a student play while facing felony charges , zero.
This is 100% accurate.
This whole "he's only going to get suspended 3-4 games and he'll be back for the thick of the SEC schedule" crap is for the birds.
Unless the charges are dropped, he's done.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 11:25 pm to tiger1014
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Most people also voted for Barack Obama for President.
Just because you disagree doesn't make something wrong.This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 8/26/11 at 11:26 pm to oleheat
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You're right; it doesn't.
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