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BCS needs a Plus-1

Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:42 am
Posted by XbengalTiger
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Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:42 am
How awsome would this look...

Format for a Plus-1 BCS Championship...
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Play the Bowl games, then play a title game 10 days later say January 11-12. Rules would have to be agreed upon, such as conferences not having rematches, and the non-BCS schools playing each other. We would not want a repeat of last season's Boise-TCU match-up.

Nevertheless, here is how it works. Have the BCS Bowl games as is, with conference affiliations. Add a fifth BCS game (the Cotton Bowl) as a guaranteed bid for the highest ranked non-BCS team. Then allocate the highest ranked at large teams to the highest ranked automatic qualifiers without opponents. Here's how it would look as of Wednesday November 24, 2010, using the current leaders in their respective conferences

Rose: Pac 10, #1 Oregon v. Big 10, #7 Wisconsin
Sugar: SEC, #2 Auburn v. at large #4 Boise State
Cotton: Non-BCS automatic berth, #3 TCU v. at large #5 LSU
Fiesta: Big 12, Oklahoma State v. at large #6 Stanford
Orange: ACC, #16 Va. Tech v. Big East leader, Pittsburgh

Play the games, and then have the Plus One game afterwards with the two highest rated teams left in the BCS standings. In the Plus One, we're assured of the upstart like Boise getting a crack against a top SEC or Big 12 squad. We see TCU play a top level SEC school. Maybe they win, maybe they lose. But David gets the chance to slay Goliath.


I found this Plus-1 format on some guys blog and thought it was the best I have seen. I love this idea think it gives the non-BCS schools the access they are looking for with the one automatic bid for the highest rated non-BCS school going to the Cotton. There are no guarantees they play in the championship game on any given year but it gives them the access they are calling for and gives us even more meaningful games in the BCS bowls since more teams are still alive with a shot to play for the BCS championship.

This post was edited on 11/25/10 at 11:01 am
Posted by Tim
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
7087 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:43 am to
no, 32 team playoff, make it real
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
31006 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:44 am to
you could still end up with 3 undefeated teams with that model. it wouldnt solve anything
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
35981 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:50 am to
this is actually a pretty good suggestion, the only thing i could say to make it better is that the top 10 teams in the BCS play each other....with who plays who based on seeding...1 plays 10 and so forth....nice idea but unworkable with the present conference affiliations....

Posted by lsusa
Doing Missionary work for LSU
Member since Oct 2005
6093 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:55 am to
no, the plus one is a BAD idea that doesn't solve anything.

if you are going to go to a four-team situation, just make it a true 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs 3 with the winners meeting.

course there are more issues opened up when you go to that....and number 5 and maybe 6 are going to complain they should be 4. may not be the case this year with two pretenders (boise and tcu) but in past seasons like 2004 if you had three legit teams and 'utah' at 4, the team playing utah gets a free pass vs allbarn and ou that would have had to play, etc, etc, etc.
Posted by XbengalTiger
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:58 am to
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you could still end up with 3 undefeated teams with that model. it wouldnt solve anything
Well then how about a Plus-2. Play that BCS Bowl format like it is set-up and then the top 4 winners out of the 5 games advance to a 4 team playoff. That would give everyone access and give everyone a shot at a championship. It would also prevent an unranked team form a conference having a down year (like the Big East this year) of getting hot and winning a championship becasue they would be left out of the playoff even if they won the BCS bowl game.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21830 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:59 am to
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Rose: Pac 10, #1 Oregon v. Big 10, #7 Wisconsin
Sugar: SEC, #2 Auburn v. at large #4 Boise State
Cotton: Non-BCS automatic berth, #3 TCU v. at large #5 LSU


So, just for shits and giggles, let's say Oregon, Boise, and TCU win those games. Who plays the plus one game, and who gets left out? This system leaves us with the same problem the current system has.

The better system is to just us the BCS rankings as they currently are, and have a 4 team playoff instead of a 2 team playoff. That still isn't perfect because some years, there aren't 4 deserving teams (2005, for example); but it beats the current system and the plus one above.
Posted by XbengalTiger
New Bama Standard 9-4
Member since Oct 2003
5506 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 11:07 am to
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The better system is to just us the BCS rankings as they currently are, and have a 4 team playoff instead of a 2 team playoff. That still isn't perfect because some years, there aren't 4 deserving teams (2005, for example); but it beats the current system and the plus one above.
How about combining the two ideas and have the 4 highest ranked winners from the 5 BCS bowls above advance to the 4 team playoff.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21830 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 11:13 am to
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How about combining the two ideas and have the 4 highest ranked winners from the 5 BCS bowls above advance to the 4 team playoff.


That would be fine by me. I don't think the college football powers that be are going to be up for 3 rounds of post-season games though. With a 4 team playoff after the regular sesaon, you only need one extra game than is currently played.
Posted by tigerswin03
SAINTS / PELICANS FAN
Member since Jan 2009
4715 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 11:14 am to
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no, 32 team playoff, make it real
i say at least 16 team playoff until then the mnc game is decided by people that follow cfb a lot less than us fans.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4078 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 11:24 am to
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course there are more issues opened up when you go to that....and number 5 and maybe 6 are going to complain they should be 4. may not be the case this year with two pretenders (boise and tcu) but in past seasons like 2004 if you had three legit teams and 'utah' at 4, the team playing utah gets a free pass vs allbarn and ou that would have had to play, etc, etc, etc.

The purpose for opening it up for 4 teams should be to ensure that you have the two worthiest teams. It's just too hard to do that with only 2 teams. If a team can't convince the voters that they are in the top 4 or earn enough of a boost in the computers to be in the Top 4 of the BCS, then they ain't got nothing to bitch about (even though they will). It's about making sure you have the two best, not the 4 best which is just as difficult or even more so than picking just a top 2.
Posted by lsusa
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 11/25/10 at 1:06 pm to
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course there are more issues opened up when you go to that....and number 5 and maybe 6 are going to complain they should be 4. may not be the case this year with two pretenders (boise and tcu) but in past seasons like 2004 if you had three legit teams and 'utah' at 4, the team playing utah gets a free pass vs allbarn and ou that would have had to play, etc, etc, etc.



The purpose for opening it up for 4 teams should be to ensure that you have the two worthiest teams. It's just too hard to do that with only 2 teams. If a team can't convince the voters that they are in the top 4 or earn enough of a boost in the computers to be in the Top 4 of the BCS, then they ain't got nothing to bitch about (even though they will). It's about making sure you have the two best, not the 4 best which is just as difficult or even more so than picking just a top 2


there are many statements that come out in the pro playoff article where arbitrary value is applied to certain concepts as if it were a given.

you say that the goal is to "find the two worthiest teams". if you just put all 120 teams in a 7 round playoff you would be guarenteed ave the two worthiest teams IN the playoff.

but does that mean that it is a MORE VALID METHOD of determining a champion? it means that every team has a chance, but i'm not sure it makes it more valid.

you say that 'if a team can't convince voters they are in the top 4...they have nothing to bitch about'. well, your whole arguement is about teams 3 and 4 that can't convince voters they are in the top 2. why is it that you want to expand the format because team 4 hasn't convinced someone it should be team 2 (two spots) yet suddenly a one spot gap between 4th and 5th becomes a brick wall in an expanded playoff???

a few years back, a team that was a four-seed in one of 16 NCAA baseball regionals won the national championship. theoretically, they were considered to be no better than the 49th best team in the country heading into the post season tournament.

the other statement i love to see is, in all the bcs talk, those who state 'a team that doesn't win it's division or conference doesn't DESERVE to play for the title'. really? based on what? was that on one of the two tablets that moses dropped? did stephen hawking discover that on the chalk board one day? it's just an arbitrary statement and i find it ironic that most of the people making it also support a '16 team playoff' (that happens to involve teams that didn't win their conference/division)

while many say that 'every other sport has a playoff' and 'settles it on the field' and therefore attach more 'validity' to using a multi-team playoff format...i say that college baseball tournament made a strong point that a playoff champion is no more than the winner of a 'post season tournament' and only proves that they were the best (and perhaps luckiest) team during the course of THAT TOURNAMENT.

on the other hand, a 'two-team playoff' as we have in college football does put more weight on season long happenings and i think you can make a case that the winner is more representative of being labled the best team over the course of a given season.

of course, what really clouds the whole thing up is how you want to define your "best team"...how you consider improvement, etc...and in the end a lot of this just boils down to what you 'like'.

i personally think college footbal is great the way it is. i think the bcs and two team 'playoff' fixed the old problem of bowl matchups being made in late october and got us a legit championship game. i do see where a four-team playoff 'might' be an improvement, but it is also not a panacea and in some cases may increase the 'human element' and possilbity of error. i am definately against an eight team playoff.

in the end, this just boils down to what you LIKE. yeah, i think auburn got jobbed in 2004, and hate hearing people complain about our titles in 2003 and to a lesser extent 07, but it also creates some controversy, which a little of can be a good thing.
Posted by arkiebrian
NWA
Member since Nov 2006
4167 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 1:09 pm to
an insider told me the other day that in 4 years, when the bowl contracts run out, that we will have a playoff system involving the top 8 teams and 7 bowls

FWIW
Posted by lsudawg70
Huntsville
Member since Aug 2009
1601 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 1:11 pm to
Plus 1 = Fail

16 team playoff and settle it on the field!!!
Posted by cattus
Member since Jan 2009
14597 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 1:21 pm to
Nothing new. Pretty much the old system with an extra game. Should have been done long ago.

16 is probably a fair system, more than what we have now but don't want it.

8 is the best, you have to be elite to get in.
Posted by Lacour
Member since Nov 2009
32949 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 1:24 pm to
So Alabama would have had to play Boise last year after thrashing Texas?

Posted by SaltyTiger53
Delhi, La
Member since Aug 2008
355 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 1:29 pm to
Playoffs would be better.
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