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re: Baylor has a better running game than LSU

Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:26 pm to
Big 12 focuses on offense, not defense. It's a practical matter, they are taking in a lot of Texas area players, and there is more focus in high schools to run potent offenses. Lots of 7 on 7 stuff going on there. Technique and "systems" are a lot more developed.

SEC ball is more physical in nature, the local teams are physically oriented in their styles. We don't have (in La at least) near the emphasis on offensive technique in high schools, it's more a matter of trying to out-athlete each other.

Watch highlights of Fournette, Guice, Dupre etc from high school. They aren't running fancy plays, they are physically beating the other team due to being superior athletes.
Then go watch any number of these Texas schools, and the QBs they put out. Guys are finely honed in what they do, even if they aren't the best physical talents.

Your comparison of LSU and Baylor vs Texas Tech actually shows that point. They had comparable numbers vs a common opponent, yet nobody would say that LSU has near the "high scoring" reputation of Baylor. LSU didn't try to trick TT at all, they basically gave away the play before the snap, and still ran all over them.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:27 pm to
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Also, if you really want to compare, Baylor scored 63 points while racking up 680 yards with 368 rushing yards and 312 passing yards against Texas Tech.

LSU had 56 points with 638 yards, 261 passing, and 377 rushing.


So you have one game there, but not really a great measure.




How many more offensive plays did Baylor run?
Posted by DWaginHTown
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:28 pm to
They haven't played a game yet this year, slapdick.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:28 pm to
They always struck me as kinda rapey
Posted by GeorgeReymond
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:28 pm to
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tiggerthetooth

What's the difference in scoring in 10 minutes versus a minute?

9 minutes of your defensive play
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:28 pm to
Honestly, I think the pieces are there to run that "Spread Veer" system at LSU. Large O-Line, Blocking TE, balanced RB, and perimeter guys who can block. Harris would be a spectacular QB in that system as well. Your only drawback is the constant knock that it doesn't translate to the NFL, which is what this current offense hangs their hat on.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 9:29 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:30 pm to
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Your comparison of LSU and Baylor vs Texas Tech actually shows that point.


Not exactly. Its only one game.

Texas Tech gave up 63 points and 662 yards against Oklahoma State, and 637 yards against SAM HOUSTON STATE.


Also remember that Texas Tech beat Arkansas last season, and then Arkansas beat LSU.

So why was LSU so easily able to beat Texas tech?

A one game sample is meaningless.
Posted by TigahFan1010
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:31 pm to
Baw....


No
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:32 pm to
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They haven't played a game yet this year, slapdick.


Did you read at all? Or click links?

I've linked to 2011-2015. I have no concern for 2016 statistically speaking.

Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:34 pm to
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LSU plays ball control, which I prefer. I'd rather keep their D on the field the whole game


Why? If their offense gets on the field is that the doom of LSU? Is LSU's defense that bad? Or is the opponent's offense that good? Im confused about why we have to keep their defense on the field for so long.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 9:35 pm
Posted by DollaChoppa
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:35 pm to
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Please provide some data to back-up your claim


God damn you.

2011

RYPA
11. Baylor 5.3
27. LSU 4.8

2012 RYPA

24. Baylor 5.0
68. LSU 4.3

2013. RYPA

13. Baylor 5.4
27. LSU 5.04

2014 RYPA

44. LSU 4.7
51. Baylor 4.5

2015

RYPA:
2. LSU 6.1
4. Baylor 5.9




Now lets look at Defensive RYPG from 2015:

There are 6 SEC teams with better rushing defenses than the ebst team from the big 12. I got bored and stopped. But feel free to complete all the data for this year and previous years

Defense RYPA:
2. Alabama 2.43
11. Mizzou 3.29
12. Ole Miss 3.29
19. Florida 3.53
31. Arkansas 3.76
33. LSU 3.81
35. Oklahoma 3.81
37. Baylor 3.84
40. West Virginia 3.95

41. Georgia 3.96
47. Vandy 4.02
56. Tennessee 4.19


Im sure youll find similar data. As I said, the difference in defenses faced more than makes up for any disparity between LSU and Baylor pre 2014
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 9:37 pm
Posted by la_birdman
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:36 pm to
They're playing Northwestern State.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

There are 6 SEC teams with better rushing defenses than the ebst team from the big 12. I got bored and stopped. But feel free to complete all the data for this year and previous years


Okay, but Baylor also had a top 5 passing attack 4 out of those 5 years.

Thanks for providing data btw.
Posted by DollaChoppa
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:40 pm to
quote:

Okay, but Baylor also had a top 5 passing attack 4 out of those 5 years.


Oh Im just addressing this lie:

quote:

Baylor has a better running game than LSU
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:40 pm to
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They're playing Northwestern State.


I know? Why are you bringing this up?
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:40 pm to
What's your end game with this thread? If you've got something to say just say it.
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11713 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:42 pm to
No, he's just being a dick head....
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:42 pm to
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Oh Im just addressing this lie:


A lie? Baylor did average more rushing yards, passing yards, and points 4/5 years...and it wasn't even remotely close.

Maybe the SEC rushing defenses are better because everyone in the conference sucks at passing?

As said before, Texas QB's come out more refined and polished to transition into a aggressive passing attacks.

Posted by lsuhou74
Houston
Member since Jan 2015
3885 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:43 pm to
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