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re: Basketball - LSU 70 @ 89 Boise St. | Final |Tigers Suffer 1st Loss

Posted on 12/14/12 at 10:34 pm to
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2916 posts
Posted on 12/14/12 at 10:34 pm to
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time to lick our wounds and get back to the drawing board. Beat Irvine and get back to Baton Rouge and prepare for Marquette

Yeah, it's just one game. We all knew we weren't going to go undefeated. I would rather them get rattled and blown out on a road game against Boise than an SEC team.

CJJ really has to work on defense, rebounding and turnovers. If Johnny would just play a little smarter and not get fouls we may still be able to pull off some upsets. And I said we would live and die by the three's and tonight we died!
Posted by LSUsCRYSTALball
Member since Dec 2012
1709 posts
Posted on 12/14/12 at 10:35 pm to
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I hope those who keep up with basketball don't go full retard.


This.
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14606 posts
Posted on 12/14/12 at 10:37 pm to
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And I said we would live and die by the three's and tonight we died!


Collins picked up some the slack and saved our 3PT shooting % from looking horribad. Stringer did not do very well, but he's playing more than he supposed to. He needs to come off the bench and play his role as he did earlier in the season.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 12/14/12 at 10:46 pm to
I think I get more upset when we lose in hoops than anything
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177665 posts
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:10 pm to
I was pissed but I got some pizza and now I'm full and alright. They weren't going undefeated but I would have liked to show up tonight. A 2-1 road trip would be good.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 11:11 pm
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18815 posts
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:24 pm to
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Stringer did not do very well, but he's playing more than he supposed to.


I think after 2+ years we know what Stringer is. He always starts fairly well, then expands his shooting limitations and regresses as the year goes. Coming off the bench in spots is his best role for us.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by JR Hamilsbach
Member since Oct 2010
946 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 1:11 am to
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Stringer did not do very well, but he's playing more than he supposed to. I think after 2+ years we know what Stringer is. He always starts fairly well, then expands his shooting limitations and regresses as the year goes. Coming off the bench in spots is his best role for us.


I disagree, but it appears I'm much higher on Stringer than just about anyone else on TD. I saw a lot of Tigers being indecisive and not taking initiative. Stringer stepped up, but unfortunately made some turn overs and had a poor shooting night. He does better imo as a facilitator from outside the paint and plays better when paired with a dribble-driver. With Hickey out, LSU was over matched and Stringer and the rest of the team couldn't get into any offensive rhythm. I still think the team is much better with Stringer on the floor and I hope he continues getting 25 min+ per game.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19697 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 6:49 am to
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So is it time to fire Jones?


He's had his chance to turn this team into a winner and hasn't done it.

LSU is *always* one of the top 3-4 teams in the SEC. I know. I follow LSU hoops very closely. I was just in the PMAC a couple seasons ago, when Stromile Smith and Tyrus Thompson were here.

We just can't lose on the road to a terrible team like the University of Boise.

I say fire the staff, pull all the scholarships and forfeit the rest of the schedule.
Posted by BR Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2004
4720 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 7:36 am to
I woke up this morning and realized I was in the middle of a dream. I was watching last nights game and we were down 5 at the line with a chance to cut it to 3 with 30 seconds or so left. I tried to go back to sleep and see how it ended, but couldn't. I will say it was much more rewarding than the real game last night.
Posted by NOLAtoChiTwn
Michigan
Member since Nov 2008
363 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 8:01 am to
Road kill , but Stringer shooting,on the road is bad because he doesn't "feel"confident. He's got natural touch,but that works only when feeling motivated.Need to learn precise and discipline shooting form.He could depend on that-road,home, anywhere.Carmouche ,dont know if he's got hope.
Posted by Signature
Omnipresent
Member since Sep 2005
6741 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 8:58 am to
I'm still riding high, but that might be because I had a Christmas party and couldn't watch the game. We all knew what we were this year going into this season. NIT is still in play. Give me just a little to get excited about until help arrives next year and I'm a happy man.
Posted by Adam4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
13763 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 9:11 am to
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I think I get more upset when we lose in hoops than anything


I do too for some reason. I think because the score updates more frequently so the hits keep coming. I had a dream last night that drmic got ran over by the LSU team bus. It was glorious.

oh and I may get blasted for this, but I feel more confident when stringer takes a shot than hickey. At least stringer takes his time to get set up. Hickey just jacks it up no matter how his feet are set. There have been times where he's jumping completely sideways and lobs up an 18ft+ 3 and doesn't even hit rim. Very undisciplined.
This post was edited on 12/15/12 at 9:15 am
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18815 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 9:29 am to
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I saw a lot of Tigers being indecisive and not taking initiative.
That will never be an issue for Stringer, and for the most part that's been an issue for the team over his career. Look at his career shooting percentage.
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He does better imo as a facilitator from outside the paint and plays better when paired with a dribble-driver.


I agree. He is not a good enough ball handler to create his shot against better teams.

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I still think the team is much better with Stringer on the floor and I hope he continues getting 25 min+ per game.
He was 1-10 last night and honestly there have been more games like that over his career than good shooting nights.

Bottom line is IMHO Stringer is an average to mediocre shooter who believes himself to be a good shooter. And his range is not as far as he believes it to be. Man if he hit 1 of every 3 or 4 of those 30 footers he takes I'd cut him some slack but he's probably more like 1 for every 6 or 7 on those.

He's started the year out each of his 3 shooting decently. He tailed off fairly dramatically his first two years. I hope he can end that trend this year.
Posted by theronswanson
House built with my hands
Member since Feb 2012
3264 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 9:41 am to
still more exciting to watch this team and know the program is growing and will only get better.

lets not discount the fact that boise st's arena had 12,000+ fans, giving them something to play for and a lot of motivation.

Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18815 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 9:51 am to
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still more exciting to watch this team and know the program is growing and will only get better.

lets not discount the fact that boise st's arena had 12,000+ fans, giving them something to play for and a lot of motivation.


Without question. I've always said that if you don't really have guys who can create their own shot against better teams, why slow the game down and try to grind it out half court. That just doesn't make sense.

Try to get some early offense before the other team sets up so you don't have to beat your head against the wall.

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lets not discount the fact that boise st's arena had 12,000+ fans, giving them something to play for and a lot of motivation.


I actually thought the crowd might energize our kids too. I'm not into BS excuses like the long flight affected us, but the fact that we got absolutley killed on the boards by a team that was small and had not really done that to anyone else makes me think we just lacked energy last night. That and getting beaten so consistenlty and badly off the dribble all night.

Cause that really should not have happened.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
172805 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 10:41 am to
yea the rebound margin really is the most frustrating part of this game for me.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10591 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 10:57 am to
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I still think the team is much better with Stringer on the floor and I hope he continues getting 25 min+ per game.


Disagree completely. Stringer is best used and most effective in spurts. The more he is on the floor the more his weaknesses expose themselves. Plus having he and Hickey on the court at the same time for too long is too much of a defensive liability, especially in a half court game, and he is certainly not more valuable than hickey is. The best possible lineup for this years team that needs to be on the court as much as possible is hickey, Carmouche, Morgan, Coleman, O'Bryant.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18815 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 11:33 am to
[quote]Disagree completely. Stringer is best used and most effective in spurts. The more he is on the floor the more his weaknesses expose themselves. [/quote}

I tend to agree OYE. I like Andre. I've met him and he seems to me to be a good kid and represents his team well.

My take is that he's just not an above average shooter and he's been asked/allowed to do more than he's capable of under both Trent, and I think even now with Johnny.

Now with Hickey being back and the continued improvement of Collins I think his minutes likely trend back downward, but I think he can still be effective in a role, but I think his role needs to be more clearly defined.

Otherwise, even if his minutes or less he'll still continue to go beyound his limitations a bit too often and we're not getting the best team result.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2916 posts
Posted on 12/15/12 at 12:07 pm to
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My take is that he's just not an above average shooter and he's been asked/allowed to do more than he's capable of under both Trent, and I think even now with Johnny.

Now with Hickey being back and the continued improvement of Collins I think his minutes likely trend back downward, but I think he can still be effective in a role, but I think his role needs to be more clearly defined.

He is a much better than average shooter but only when he is open and set. The problem is that in a game like last night when nothing is working he thinks he has to take over the offense. He then shoots hurried shots and shoots with guys in his face or shoots from so far away that I would need a telescope to see the goal.

He needed to work harder at setting someone else up but he admittedly wasn't getting much help from his teammates. In the first half JOB wasn't passing the ball back at all once it went to him. Del Piero was playing his first road game and looked like a deer in the headlights. Carmouche didn't look like himself and couldn't hit a shot for anything. Morgan was reluctant to shoot. So . . . Stringer from 25 off the dribble with a man in his face. Results predictable.
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