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Based on similarities with OSU 2018, LSU's defensive problems are probably scheme-related
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:11 pm
Ohio State had a historically bad defense in 2018 that gave up an amazing number of long touchdowns to the opposition in 2018. "The 2018 Ohio State defense allowed more points (25.5) and yards (403.4) per game than any unit in school history." Looked similar to LSU's defense against Ole Miss. LINK [Amazing that OSU only lost 1 game with its horrendous defense]
For example, Oregon State runner had TDs of 80 & 78 yards. A 93 yard run by TCU. A 93-yard pass play by Penn State. Two 40 yard TD runs at Purdue & 43 yard TD pass. At Maryland an 81 yard and 75 yard run, both in the first quarter. LINK
Following that disastrous year, the defensive coordinator (Schiano) and LBs coach (Davis) as well as DBs coach were fired. With very much the same personnel, OSU is now a top five defense. The very good players from 2018 were confused and playing slowly due to bad coaching and an overly complex scheme. Now the same players are doing very well.
For example, Oregon State runner had TDs of 80 & 78 yards. A 93 yard run by TCU. A 93-yard pass play by Penn State. Two 40 yard TD runs at Purdue & 43 yard TD pass. At Maryland an 81 yard and 75 yard run, both in the first quarter. LINK
Following that disastrous year, the defensive coordinator (Schiano) and LBs coach (Davis) as well as DBs coach were fired. With very much the same personnel, OSU is now a top five defense. The very good players from 2018 were confused and playing slowly due to bad coaching and an overly complex scheme. Now the same players are doing very well.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 1:13 pm
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Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:20 pm to dailybuck
That’s an easy fix. Fire Schiano.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:26 pm to Lsupimp
The weird thing is that Belichick then hired Schiano. (Maybe his complex schemes work better at pro level) However, Schiano then walked away from job for what he said were personal reasons.
Not enough to fire Schiano. DBs last year had poor ball skills. New hire Hafley (From 49ers) has DBs playing much better in this regard.
Not enough to fire Schiano. DBs last year had poor ball skills. New hire Hafley (From 49ers) has DBs playing much better in this regard.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:58 pm to dailybuck
I'm not saying scheme is not an issue but there were several plays where players were in position to make a play but didn't. There were also some where the players were clearly out of position. For example the play where they faked an end around and Plumlee ran for a TD, I guarantee you that it was somebody's assignment to have backside containment. But that somebody bit on the end around and left the edge wide open.
I think too many guys on defense are playing undisciplined and trying to free lance instead of executing their assignments.
I think too many guys on defense are playing undisciplined and trying to free lance instead of executing their assignments.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:13 pm to MountainTiger
"I'm not saying scheme is not an issue but there were several plays where players were in position to make a play but didn't. There were also some where the players were clearly out of position."
If you want to see carbon copies of Ole Miss game, watch OSU v Oregon State or Maryland, two weak teams that gashed OSU. OSU brought in new coaches and fixed the problems, much in the same way that LSU hired Brady and fixed its offensive problems.
If you want to see carbon copies of Ole Miss game, watch OSU v Oregon State or Maryland, two weak teams that gashed OSU. OSU brought in new coaches and fixed the problems, much in the same way that LSU hired Brady and fixed its offensive problems.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:15 pm to dailybuck
I think Aranda needs to hire a LB coach to help him with the group. They've looked really bad this year.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:17 pm to MountainTiger
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For example the play where they faked an end around and Plumlee ran for a TD, I guarantee you that it was somebody's assignment to have backside containment. But that somebody bit on the end around and left the edge wide open.
I think too many guys on defense are playing undisciplined and trying to free lance instead of executing their assignments.
Exactly. On one of Plumlee's TD's, Chaisson ignored him and chased the RB across the field after the fake. Plumlee had the ball with nothing but green in front of him.
At least a couple of their big plays would have been contained if guys had stayed home on defense.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:20 pm to RB10
"I think Aranda needs to hire a LB coach to help him with the group. They've looked really bad this year."
Exactly the same problem as OSU had particularly in Oklahoma and Iowa games in 2017 -- coached by Meyer's best man at his wedding LB coach Davis.
Exactly the same problem as OSU had particularly in Oklahoma and Iowa games in 2017 -- coached by Meyer's best man at his wedding LB coach Davis.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:21 pm to Htowntiger90
"At least a couple of their big plays would have been contained if guys had stayed home on defense."
Same problems that were occurring at OSU last year.
Same problems that were occurring at OSU last year.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:24 pm to dailybuck
Belichick loves Schiano, and almost had an "all Rutgers" defensive backfield for a couple of years.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 5:01 pm to dailybuck
Do you can’t have similar problems with different causes?
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:13 pm to dailybuck
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If you want to see carbon copies of Ole Miss game, watch OSU v Oregon State or Maryland, two weak teams that gashed OSU. OSU brought in new coaches and fixed the problems, much in the same way that LSU hired Brady and fixed its offensive problems.
That doesn't mean it was a scheme problem.
A lot of what I saw (not everything) didn't appear to be scheme-related. It was mostly players either not making plays when the scheme had them in the right position or it was players not correctly executing the scheme. (I say "didn't appear to" because as fans we can't know for sure what a given player's assignment is. However, you know that Dave Aranda isn't going to decide to just not defend the backside.)
New coaches can fix that by either finding new ways to teach the players what their assignments are or by dumbing down the scheme so that their players can better understand their assignments.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:19 pm to dailybuck
quote:I think we are asking them to do too much. Simpler would be best
The very good players from 2018 were confused and playing slowly due to bad coaching and an overly complex scheme
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:22 pm to MountainTiger
I agree with this. Not playing disciplined defense.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 10:23 pm to MountainTiger
"New coaches can fix that by either finding new ways to teach the players what their assignments are or by dumbing down the scheme so that their players can better understand their assignments."
I was saying something very similar with different terminology. Either the scheme/coaching (they are inter-related most of the time) is not up to par or there is a lack of talent. (which I would find to be very unlikely)
I was saying something very similar with different terminology. Either the scheme/coaching (they are inter-related most of the time) is not up to par or there is a lack of talent. (which I would find to be very unlikely)
Posted on 11/20/19 at 4:41 am to dailybuck
The scheme worked friggin great against Bama! Everything Bama got, except the rushing attack, was due to winning one on one matchups with Stingley. The scheme had him in the right place, and I’d bet on Stingley doing a LOT better in a rematch.
LSU is 10-0, ranked #1, and beat the Gumps in Gumpland. I LOVE the scheme!
LSU is 10-0, ranked #1, and beat the Gumps in Gumpland. I LOVE the scheme!
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