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re: Baseball Preview: 2018 Edition Feb 10th - Pro Prospects and SEC Predictions
Posted on 2/6/18 at 1:47 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 2/6/18 at 1:47 pm to ProjectP2294
Cabrera, Slaughter, and Watson have consistently had the highest ball speeds off the bat all fall and since they started back this year. But their power numbers are 55, 60, 60. 
ETA: Bryce J also has a 60... But then again, I just remembered that certain positions are graded by group, outfielders individually and by group. So... yeah. Straight forward.
ETA: Bryce J also has a 60... But then again, I just remembered that certain positions are graded by group, outfielders individually and by group. So... yeah. Straight forward.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 1:50 pm
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 1:51 pm to ell_13
Slaughter is crushing the ball. If he decides to Schimpf it (Padres version), he'll hit 35 HRs.
ETA: But he will not be allowed to do that.
ETA: But he will not be allowed to do that.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 2/6/18 at 1:53 pm to ProjectP2294
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Then you put next years starting RF out there, JAKE SLAUGHTER. Yeah, I said it. He's going to play in the outfield next year and he's going to drop bombs like Deichmann did.
I think Cabrera's going to switch to RF, hopefully they can keep both Cabell and Lee but that may be optimistic.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 1:54 pm to Adam4848
I don't see Cabell getting to campus. Not impressed with Lee. Giovanni DiGiacomo is the next CF stud.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 1:59 pm to Adam4848
I'm kind of interested to see what/how Chris Reed does this year. He was surprisingly solid as a freshman at 3rd but really couldn't beat out anyone on a loaded team last year. Seems like the kind of guy who doesn't necessarily have huge upside, but can be a good college player. He didn't look particularly good last year but never had much opportunity either so don't know which way to go with him. Would imagine him to be a big infield utility player.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:06 pm to ell_13
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Cabrera, Slaughter, and Watson have consistently had the highest ball speeds off the bat all fall and since they started back this year. But their power numbers are 55, 60, 60.
I think I rated Deichmann at a 70 last year and he hit 19 HR's. The leader in the nation was 29. I think Watson and Slaughter will hit more than they did a year ago but over 14-15? That's pushing it, Cabrera may hit 9-10 and that would be a very solid year for him.
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ETA: Bryce J also has a 60... But then again, I just remembered that certain positions are graded by group, outfielders individually and by group. So... yeah. Straight forward.
No each starter is graded individually, you know this. The entire group at a position both starter and backups is the final grade.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:07 pm to LSshoe
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I'm kind of interested to see what/how Chris Reed does this year. He was surprisingly solid as a freshman at 3rd but really couldn't beat out anyone on a loaded team last year. Seems like the kind of guy who doesn't necessarily have huge upside, but can be a good college player. He didn't look particularly good last year but never had much opportunity either so don't know which way to go with him. Would imagine him to be a big infield utility player.
You nailed it, he'll go anywhere they need him outside of say shortstop on the infield.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:13 pm to Adam4848
quote:He's the highest ranked returning towel-waver in the country.
he'll go anywhere they need him
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:17 pm to ell_13
Chris Reid vs Jai Eugene caged death match
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:28 pm to Godfather1
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This isn’t difficult.
It’s counterintuitive wording. It has to be explained, or no one would ever figure it out. It’s one of the examples of baseball vernacular that contributes to the charm of the sport.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:30 pm to Adam4848
quote:Why are you talking final results with your preseason made-up scale? I can find 5 that are wrong for every one you claim "right". That's a whole different topic.
I think I rated Deichmann at a 70 last year and he hit 19 HR's.
We were talking about you giving our power guys just "above average" power. Only 50 players in all of college baseball last year hit 16 or more HRs. The "average" is probably closer to 4 or 5 if not lower. We can take a better guess by looking at team totals where a team like LSU was ranked 32nd in HRs with only 69 which equates to 6-7 HRs per starter. But that's too high because we know more than 9 players play in a season. So I think 4 being "average" is probably still high but let's say that's fair.
Of course, all of that is BS anyway when Power =/= HR total. As a scout you should know that... We can actually put a number on power now: exit velocity. Deichmann could get it in the 110-112 range which is honestly close to the 80 when you consider that Aaron Judge set the record at 120 last year. Slaughter has been in the 106-109 range this offseason already. Just wait till it warms up. Watson in the 104-106 range. Cabrera in the 103-105 range. And Bryce can get it up there too. But sure... "above average"
quote:I honestly don't care.
No each starter is graded individually, you know this. The entire group at a position both starter and backups is the final grade.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:32 pm to ProjectP2294
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next years starting RF out there, JAKE SLAUGHTER.
This is not stupid, but is it likely? We lose two outfielders, and we return a lot of infielders. What is Slaughter’s professional position? Is he fast enough to play outfield? He seems to have the arm.
I could see the coaches wanting to do it, but would Slaughter?
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:36 pm to ell_13
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The "average" is probably closer to 4 or 5 if not lower. We can take a better guess by looking at team totals where a team like LSU was ranked 32nd in HRs with only 69 which equates to 6-7 HRs per starter.
He’s rating outfielders compared to other college outfields, not all position players.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:36 pm to Penrod
quote:It may be in his best interest. He wasn't so good at 1B that he was vital to be there. And he's already on shaky ground at 3B with PM's history and even his recent comments about Hughes being an option. It's like he's already got it in his mind that Slaughter will fail.
This is not stupid, but is it likely? We lose two outfielders, and we return a lot of infielders. What is Slaughter’s professional position? Is he fast enough to play outfield? He seems to have the arm.
I could see the coaches wanting to do it, but would Slaughter?
It's not the first time Project made this suggestion. But I didn't bring it up because it's not relevant to this year's team and these grades.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:38 pm to Penrod
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He’s rating outfielders compared to other college outfields, not all position players.
So he's got power numbers for "OF only" sitting in an excel file somewhere? This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:38 pm to Penrod
He played some OF in the Cape. He's got enough speed and athleticism to be a plus defender in the corner, but not a full time CF, though probably not a liability there (I just cringed thinking about the time when Mason Katz played CF).
Next year's infield will be crowded with returnees and high level newcomers like Gavin Dugas and Drew Bianco (Brice Turang ain't comin here).
Slaughter is probably more likely to move back to 1st than to the OF because the need would be there more and we already know he's a very good defender there. Though Bryce could be back for his 5th year, which could push Slaughter to the OF if Hughes bat develops or Bianco comes in an tears the cover off the ball.
Next year's infield will be crowded with returnees and high level newcomers like Gavin Dugas and Drew Bianco (Brice Turang ain't comin here).
Slaughter is probably more likely to move back to 1st than to the OF because the need would be there more and we already know he's a very good defender there. Though Bryce could be back for his 5th year, which could push Slaughter to the OF if Hughes bat develops or Bianco comes in an tears the cover off the ball.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:39 pm to ell_13
I'm not emotionally invested in this enough that you're hurting my feelings by disagreeing. Please go ahead and post what you think Cabrera's, Slaughters, and Watson's power grade would be at the college level 20-80, I'm genuinely interested, please don't say you don't care because by your posts in this thread you do.
And for the 80-90% of evaluators that don't have that technology at their finger tips?
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Of course, all of that is BS anyway when Power =/= HR total. As a scout you should know that... We can actually put a number on power now: exit velocity.
And for the 80-90% of evaluators that don't have that technology at their finger tips?
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:40 pm to ell_13
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We can actually put a number on power now: exit velocity.
No. Exit velocity does not equate to power. It is a factor. What if two guys average 105, but one averages a 30 degree angle and the other averages -5 degrees? That’s an exaggeration, but it makes the point.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:41 pm to Penrod
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It is a factor. What if two guys average 105, but one averages a 30 degree angle and the other averages -5 degrees? That’s an exaggeration, but it makes the point.
That's what I was referring to when I talked about Slaughter Schimpf-ing it.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 2:41 pm to ell_13
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It's like he's already got it in his mind that Slaughter will fail.
I totally agree with this.
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