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Backfield set on spike play
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:57 pm
If i remember correctly you can't have more than 4 players a yard off the line of scrimmage. On the spike play there are 4 receivers a yard off plus the QB and a running back. That's 6 players in the backfield. That's a penalty and 10 second run off i think. Am i right???
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:58 pm to bluewatersailor
I thought they had 9 on the los, which is ok.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:59 pm to bluewatersailor
the line of scrimmage is determined by the waistline of the center as he is over the ball
All the WRs were on that line. Not illegal
All the WRs were on that line. Not illegal
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:00 pm to bluewatersailor
There has been no rules expert to relegate if the spike play was 100% legal. If we want to be technical with the rules, a spike, by definition, must come "high over the quarterback's head." It clearly did not do this. Does this action make the spike itself illegal? By not coming high to spike it it saved the tenths of a second needed to avoid the clock hitting 0:00. Does this justify the play as illegal?
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:01 pm to bluewatersailor
Yeah, it’s already been covered and spoke about by the rule experts.
It was an illegal formation that was missed.
There were a couple other more “controversial” calls, but this one has already been confirmed to be a missed IF.
It was an illegal formation that was missed.
There were a couple other more “controversial” calls, but this one has already been confirmed to be a missed IF.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:04 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:
Yeah, it’s already been covered and spoke about by the rule experts.
It was an illegal formation that was missed.
Scott Shanle and random LSU fans aren’t “rule experts”.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:06 pm to RobbBobb
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All the WRs were on that line. Not illegal
It didn't look like it, but it wouldn't matter anyway because the RB very obviously started in motion about a second or more before a play in one overtime with the LSU D all jumping and pointing it out (along with the announcers) and nothing was called so they got a big gain on the play. They weren't calling aTm for that type of stuff.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:10 pm to rpg37
quote:
If we want to be technical with the rules, a spike, by definition, must come "high over the quarterback's head."
um, what?
i’ve literally never seen anyone do this, nor have i ever heard of it.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:12 pm to RobbBobb
No two were off the line.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:15 pm to bluewatersailor
I'm one of those non-experts that got corrected earlier.
The rule says you must have at least 7 on the LoS. So when you hear 'too many men in the backfield' that's actually what they are referring to.
However, there are rules regarding numbers and eligibility; Ignore the numbers issue for now. Eligibility and who is covered up (you have to be uncovered on the end of the LoS to be an eligible receiver). And a spike is a pass.
2nd more important However, just like the OL they only get called for that under two circumstances-
1. "Illegal Touching", ineligible receiver who is first to touch the ball.
2. Going downfield on a pass as an ineligible receiver.
Since it was a spike, those ineligible WRs covered up on the LoS didn't go downfield because there wasn't time on a spike play.
I do believe they weren't set for 1 sec though. 1 WR and one or more RB. Which is often ignored on spikes.
The rule says you must have at least 7 on the LoS. So when you hear 'too many men in the backfield' that's actually what they are referring to.
However, there are rules regarding numbers and eligibility; Ignore the numbers issue for now. Eligibility and who is covered up (you have to be uncovered on the end of the LoS to be an eligible receiver). And a spike is a pass.
2nd more important However, just like the OL they only get called for that under two circumstances-
1. "Illegal Touching", ineligible receiver who is first to touch the ball.
2. Going downfield on a pass as an ineligible receiver.
Since it was a spike, those ineligible WRs covered up on the LoS didn't go downfield because there wasn't time on a spike play.
I do believe they weren't set for 1 sec though. 1 WR and one or more RB. Which is often ignored on spikes.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:17 pm to Nutriaitch
Trust me, no one here know every archaic rule in the NCAA rulebook. I am just citing the language. The third sentence in the section reads, "The quarterback takes the snap and raises the ball high over his head before throwing it directly to the ground."
If this is required for a spike, than is this even a spike by definition? Maybe it's a fumble. Or intentional grounding. I have no clue to any of this except the fact he did not go through the entire motion the rule dictates he must have.
If this is required for a spike, than is this even a spike by definition? Maybe it's a fumble. Or intentional grounding. I have no clue to any of this except the fact he did not go through the entire motion the rule dictates he must have.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:21 pm to rpg37
quote:lol, years ago there was a huge running debate for about 2 or 3 years if a spike was intentional ground. This was well before the whole tackle box thing and when the NFL was still doing "in the grasp".
If this is required for a spike, than is this even a spike by definition? Maybe it's a fumble. Or intentional grounding. I have no clue to any of this except the fact he did not go through the entire motion the rule dictates he must have.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:22 pm to rpg37
The tackle was not covered on the left side.
Illegal formation
Illegal formation
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:23 pm to rpg37
the sentence you’re quoting is an example of a team taking too much time to execute a spike in the interpretations area of the book.
in the rules area, there is no mention of being required to raise the ball over your head.
only says you have to spike immediately upon gaining possession from the center.
in the rules area, there is no mention of being required to raise the ball over your head.
only says you have to spike immediately upon gaining possession from the center.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:23 pm to I20goon
I am with you. The rules are archaic and interpreted freely. The refs aren't trained and things are missed.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:24 pm to WestlakeTiger
quote:that made him an eligible reciever. With the wrong number set. He was required to report in to either back judge or head.
The tackle was not covered on the left side.
Illegal formation
That's never called on spike. The ONLY way that's illegal, assuming there's 7 on the LoS, somewhere, is the number issue.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:24 pm to WestlakeTiger
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The tackle was not covered on the left side.
Illegal formation
This isn’t the NFL, he doesn’t have to be covered.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:56 am to MOT
NCAA rules are less permissive than NFL rules and require that the five interior linemen, numbered 50-79, never line up as eligible receivers.[4] If an offensive tackle wishes to line up as a tackle-eligible, he must physically change his jersey number to that of an eligible receiver (this, for example, happened in the 1943 Cotton Bowl Classic, when an offensive lineman for Baylor switched from his usual number of 60 to 80 in order to perform the feat).[5] A defensive lineman can line up as a tight end if his number is not between 50 and 79 (defensive players have no positional numbering restrictions in the NCAA).
Posted on 11/26/18 at 6:16 am to Stonepony
Correct, but that doesn’t have any impact on the play in question whatsoever.
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