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Backfield set on spike play

Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:57 pm
Posted by bluewatersailor
Member since Oct 2018
266 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:57 pm
If i remember correctly you can't have more than 4 players a yard off the line of scrimmage. On the spike play there are 4 receivers a yard off plus the QB and a running back. That's 6 players in the backfield. That's a penalty and 10 second run off i think. Am i right???
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43103 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:58 pm to
I thought they had 9 on the los, which is ok.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27898 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 5:59 pm to
the line of scrimmage is determined by the waistline of the center as he is over the ball

All the WRs were on that line. Not illegal
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47452 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:00 pm to
There has been no rules expert to relegate if the spike play was 100% legal. If we want to be technical with the rules, a spike, by definition, must come "high over the quarterback's head." It clearly did not do this. Does this action make the spike itself illegal? By not coming high to spike it it saved the tenths of a second needed to avoid the clock hitting 0:00. Does this justify the play as illegal?
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26272 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:01 pm to
Yeah, it’s already been covered and spoke about by the rule experts.

It was an illegal formation that was missed.

There were a couple other more “controversial” calls, but this one has already been confirmed to be a missed IF.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 6:03 pm
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27828 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

Yeah, it’s already been covered and spoke about by the rule experts.

It was an illegal formation that was missed.

Scott Shanle and random LSU fans aren’t “rule experts”.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24269 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:06 pm to
quote:

All the WRs were on that line. Not illegal

It didn't look like it, but it wouldn't matter anyway because the RB very obviously started in motion about a second or more before a play in one overtime with the LSU D all jumping and pointing it out (along with the announcers) and nothing was called so they got a big gain on the play. They weren't calling aTm for that type of stuff.
Posted by kkv75
Member since Sep 2017
4890 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:09 pm to
Move on.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7521 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:10 pm to
quote:

If we want to be technical with the rules, a spike, by definition, must come "high over the quarterback's head."


um, what?
i’ve literally never seen anyone do this, nor have i ever heard of it.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20415 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:12 pm to
No two were off the line.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12896 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:15 pm to
I'm one of those non-experts that got corrected earlier.

The rule says you must have at least 7 on the LoS. So when you hear 'too many men in the backfield' that's actually what they are referring to.

However, there are rules regarding numbers and eligibility; Ignore the numbers issue for now. Eligibility and who is covered up (you have to be uncovered on the end of the LoS to be an eligible receiver). And a spike is a pass.

2nd more important However, just like the OL they only get called for that under two circumstances-

1. "Illegal Touching", ineligible receiver who is first to touch the ball.

2. Going downfield on a pass as an ineligible receiver.

Since it was a spike, those ineligible WRs covered up on the LoS didn't go downfield because there wasn't time on a spike play.

I do believe they weren't set for 1 sec though. 1 WR and one or more RB. Which is often ignored on spikes.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47452 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:17 pm to
Trust me, no one here know every archaic rule in the NCAA rulebook. I am just citing the language. The third sentence in the section reads, "The quarterback takes the snap and raises the ball high over his head before throwing it directly to the ground."

If this is required for a spike, than is this even a spike by definition? Maybe it's a fumble. Or intentional grounding. I have no clue to any of this except the fact he did not go through the entire motion the rule dictates he must have.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12896 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

If this is required for a spike, than is this even a spike by definition? Maybe it's a fumble. Or intentional grounding. I have no clue to any of this except the fact he did not go through the entire motion the rule dictates he must have.
lol, years ago there was a huge running debate for about 2 or 3 years if a spike was intentional ground. This was well before the whole tackle box thing and when the NFL was still doing "in the grasp".
Posted by WestlakeTiger
San Antonio, Tejas
Member since Feb 2012
9439 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:22 pm to
The tackle was not covered on the left side.

Illegal formation
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7521 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:23 pm to
the sentence you’re quoting is an example of a team taking too much time to execute a spike in the interpretations area of the book.

in the rules area, there is no mention of being required to raise the ball over your head.
only says you have to spike immediately upon gaining possession from the center.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47452 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:23 pm to
I am with you. The rules are archaic and interpreted freely. The refs aren't trained and things are missed.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12896 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

The tackle was not covered on the left side.

Illegal formation
that made him an eligible reciever. With the wrong number set. He was required to report in to either back judge or head.

That's never called on spike. The ONLY way that's illegal, assuming there's 7 on the LoS, somewhere, is the number issue.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27828 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

The tackle was not covered on the left side.

Illegal formation

This isn’t the NFL, he doesn’t have to be covered.
Posted by Stonepony
Thibodaux
Member since May 2007
394 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:56 am to
NCAA rules are less permissive than NFL rules and require that the five interior linemen, numbered 50-79, never line up as eligible receivers.[4] If an offensive tackle wishes to line up as a tackle-eligible, he must physically change his jersey number to that of an eligible receiver (this, for example, happened in the 1943 Cotton Bowl Classic, when an offensive lineman for Baylor switched from his usual number of 60 to 80 in order to perform the feat).[5] A defensive lineman can line up as a tight end if his number is not between 50 and 79 (defensive players have no positional numbering restrictions in the NCAA).
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27828 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 6:16 am to
Correct, but that doesn’t have any impact on the play in question whatsoever.
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