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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:40 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:40 am to Topwater Trout
quote:
There are tons of coaches that aren't being offered by other teams that get raises and extensions.
O is not like other coaches. It's like you people forget the circumstances under which he was hired.
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:43 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:Ancient history. O now has a top-10 finish and a top-10 recruiting class.
O is not like other coaches. It's like you people forget the circumstances under which he was hired.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:45 am to Mo Jeaux
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O is not like other coaches. It's like you people forget the circumstances under which he was hired.
he was the 3rd choice. And wtf does the circumstances you're talking about matter? He is the coach and the program hasn't floundered like yall said it would. He just finished our best season since 2011. He is the 39th highest paid coach in D1...and has finished 18th and 6th. Those finishes don't don't justify a raise?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:55 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:That's how he got in the door. Can't keep him on that contract forever.
It's like you people forget the circumstances under which he was hired.
He has performed better than 95% of NCAA coaches. Time to pay the man before some other program does.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 9:57 am
Posted on 2/5/19 at 10:16 am to Topwater Trout
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He is the coach and the program hasn't floundered like yall said it would.
So the experiment is over? We essentially have two data points. So that's it?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 10:18 am to Topwater Trout
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Those finishes don't don't justify a raise?
A raise? The topic of the thread is about a buyout (and indirectly an extension).
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
It’s great that some of y’all will pretend that ADs never make mistakes and never commit to coaches before they should.
That’s how all these teams end up getting ducked by buyouts.
That’s how all these teams end up getting ducked by buyouts.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:59 am to Buckeye Jeaux
And we all thought O’s $5M buyout was high. Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:02 pm to SammyTiger
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That’s how all these teams end up getting ducked by buyouts.
seems like a lot of our fans had no issues with A&M contract with Jimbo
Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
These threads highlight the stupidity of the average fan who knows shite about football and is still in love with the former coach. It's a waste to argue with simpletons who think they know way more than they do.
And your comment highlights your arrogance and the real you.
The average LSU fan is stupid, a simpleton, and know shite about football. That is in Rogers mind.
We are so lucky to have here to explain football to us.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:13 pm to LSU Groupee
Roger is a douche. We all know that.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:35 pm to SammyTiger
quote:And some ADs fail to pay & extend an HC when it is reasonably clear the HC is a winner.
It’s great that some of y’all will pretend that ADs never make mistakes and never commit to coaches before they should.
Then an AD with a bigger set of nads comes in and pays the HC the market rate.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 12:54 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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And some ADs fail to pay & extend an HC when it is reasonably clear the HC is a winner.
Like?
How many HCs have walked from a program like LSU for a lateral move?
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:01 pm to Topwater Trout
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seems like a lot of our fans had no issues with A&M contract with Jimbo
A lot of our fans do, but at the same time he’s an NC winning coach being pulled from what I would call a historically better program. No doubt that takes well above market price with stupid guarantees.
If someone wants to pay Orgeron way above market price and give him an almost fully guaranteed contract for a decade I dont Think we should play that game.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:03 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Lateral? Why lateral? 35 Power-5 programs are paying more than LSU.
How many HCs have walked from a program like LSU for a lateral move?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:05 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
The only G5 school paying their coach more is Houston. No one else is making 3 mill
Ok, please list all the coaches who have been pulled away from top 10 P5 teams by G6 schools
Happens all the time?
Ok, please list all the coaches who have been pulled away from top 10 P5 teams by G6 schools
Happens all the time?
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:08 pm to SammyTiger
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he’s an NC winning coach being pulled from what I would call a historically better program.
true
quote:
that takes well above market price with stupid guarantees.
which is why it's likely a stupid contract. If he doesn't win a national title it can't be worth it. How many sec titles makes it worth it? 5 in 10 years?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:11 pm to Topwater Trout
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which is why it's likely a stupid contract. If he doesn't win a national title it can't be worth it. How many sec titles makes it worth it? 5 in 10 years?
It’s definitely one of those “we have the money, well pay anything for a championship” and if you had almost limetless funds wouldn’t you pay 75 million for your first championship since like the Roosevelt administration?
But ultimately, I agree I think it’s a dumb contract because I dont Think they’ll ever win a NC.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:11 pm to SammyTiger
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How many HCs have walked from a program like LSU for a lateral move?
Well, in fairness, we haven't ever had an AD that left that up to chance. Almost every head coach coach we've ever had in the (modern) history of the program has been fired, retired at LSU, or left for the NFL. The only head coach to leave for another college head coaching job was Paul Dietzel. Arnsparger is the only outlier, but he "retired" to take the AD job at Florida. Charlie Mac and Bernie Moore retired. Everyone else who left (sans Saban) was fired.
Miles - fired
Saban - NFL
Dinardo - fired
Hallman - fired
Archer - fired
Arnsparger - "retired"
Stovall - fired
McClendon - retired
Dietzel - left for Army
Tinsley - fired
Moore - retired
ADs at major programs very rarely call bluffs on their coaches seeking raises. Sure, there are differing opinions whether ADs should operate as such or not. Holgorsen at WVU is the exception, not the norm. You don't see coaches walking for lateral jobs, disappointed in their salary demands not being met, because ADs typically don't allow lateral moves to become a possibility, so it's kind of a non-starter conversation.
Bottom line, there are people that don't think Orgeron deserves a raise this year, and there are people that do believe his raise/extension is warranted. No side is going to be able to prove that they're right. I know you're not conducting yourself this way, so please don't take it that way, but those who are calling others stupid for thinking one way or the other are completely out of line. Neither opinion in this circumstance has any more validity than the other.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:12 pm to lsufball19
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Bottom line, there are people that don't think Orgeron deserves a raise this year, and there are people that do believe his raise/extension is warranted. No side is going to be able to prove that they're right. I know you're not conducting yourself this way, so please don't take it that way, but those who are calling others stupid for thinking one way or the other are completely out of line. Neither opinion in this circumstance has any more validity than the other.
Sure but it’s a fun way to waste time, ain’t it?
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