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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:10 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:10 pm to SammyTiger
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I dont Care how O wins an NC, My biggest issue with O is that we’re in year 3 and still hoping for a drastically better offense.
One very big positive next year that we haven't seen in quite awhile is having so many guys on both sides of the ball returning. Our offensive woes aside, we've had little continuity with the personnel on the field or in the coaching staff. There is no excuse whatsoever for this team to lose more than 2 games next year, and they really should beat everyone on the schedule not named Alabama. If we have more than 2 regular season losses, I would view next season as a failure. But I do think Orgeron is doing a lot of good things. I was very happy to see Chase have what I hope was his breakout game. Jefferson had a great season. We filled holes at the RB position, something that hadn't been an issue for us in years. Now it's on the OL to play better so these playmakers have a chance to succeed. And we finally seem to have a QB with the poise, talent, and leadership that I feel confident he is capable of getting the job done.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 2:11 pm
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:13 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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LSU failed to stick Saban with a reciprocal buyout
neither did Alabama. He doesn't owe Alabama a dime if he walks. Saban being the best coach possibly ever gives him a lot of leverage. LSU and Alabama agreed to give him no reciprocal buyout because of what he does/did for those programs (i.e. he's worth it). Sure, he didn't have that leverage when he arrived at LSU, but when he won our first national title in 45 years, he attained that leverage and LSU (and anyone in our position) would have given him whatever he wanted.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:15 pm to lsufball19
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Both LSU and Saban can end the contract with 30 days written notice.
Saban doesn't have to pay LSU if he leaves, but LSU must pay him his annual minimum if they terminate his contract "without cause" through 2008 and significantly less if they terminate the contract in the final two years.
Again, LSU failed to hold Saban to pay a buyout.
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:17 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Again, LSU failed to hold Saban to pay a buyout.
again, Saban wouldn't have to pay Alabama a buyout either if he walked tomorrow for another job. Saban gets these types of contracts because he's good enough for schools to take that risk. He has all the leverage.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:22 pm to lsufball19
quote:All true. But this is another important reason for AD's to craft extension contracts BEFORE the HC has a big year.
again, Saban wouldn't have to pay Alabama a buyout either if he walked tomorrow for another job. Saban gets these types of contracts because he's good enough for schools to take that risk. He has all the leverage.
Saban would have signed most anything on buyouts coming off his mediocre stint at Michigan State
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:23 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Again, if the year is big enough, you’re gonna be renegotiating anyway.
If O went 15-0 next year, you think any extension we put in place this year would be enough?
If O went 15-0 next year, you think any extension we put in place this year would be enough?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:25 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Depends on the length and strength of the buyout clauses.
Again, if the year is big enough, you’re gonna be renegotiating anyway.
If O went 15-0 next year, you think any extension we put in place this year would be enough?
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:27 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I mean year we could hypothetically give him a NC coach contract buts that’s about 6-7.5 million dollars and 6-7 years and a 30+ million dollar buyout.
I dont See that happeneingn after a 10-3 season even if we finished high in the polls.
I dont See that happeneingn after a 10-3 season even if we finished high in the polls.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:39 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Saban would have signed most anything on buyouts coming off his mediocre stint at Michigan State
Saban got a raise after winning the SEC Title in 2001 and another in 2003 after winning the national title. He's been given a raise almost every season he's been at Alabama. It has nothing to do with when he was given an extension. It had everything to do with what he accomplished and what LSU and Alabama were willing to do to sign/keep him. Buyouts have not always been a thing like they are now. His salary was big for 1999 when he signed out of Michigan State but the total value of his contract was 6 million over 5 years. Any buyout for either side would have been nominal, so it's very difficult and rather senseless to compare buyouts that long ago. Big buyouts became more commonplace because of how big contracts have grown. Both sides want protection due to the amount of money on the table. In Saban's case, he has the leverage to tell ADs he won't agree to a contract that requires him to pay his employer to take a new job, and ADs are more than happy to accept those terms based on the value he brings to the program. It's worth any risk that may be taking.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:47 pm to SammyTiger
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My biggest issue with O is that we’re in year 3 and still hoping for a drastically better offense.
after watching last year with a qb who had only thrown a handful of passes in his career and a few months with the team, young wr's, a line that under performed for whatever reason and no dynamic rb's you should think that next year we will improve drastically offensively
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:53 pm to lsufball19
quote:Yes, of course he does. But when he arrived at LSU he did not. And likely no one at LSU thought a reciprocal buyout clause was worth writing. But if they had, and then took firm steps to keep it in force (which may have meant paying Saban millions more in the short run), Saban might still be at LSU.
In Saban's case, he has the leverage to tell ADs he won't agree to a contract that requires him to pay his employer to take a new job, and ADs are more than happy to accept those terms based on the value he brings to the program. It's worth any risk that may be taking.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 2:56 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
It’s all hindsight but he made a lot more with the Dolphins and he was already the top paid coach when he left LSU.
Paying a HC 5 million would have been insane in 2002
Paying a HC 5 million would have been insane in 2002
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:00 pm to SammyTiger
What if he had a reciprocal buyout on a 10 year deal - wasn't Saban getting 2.5 mil? 25 million buyout might have stopped Miami cold.
That's the design of such buyouts... Someone wants to steal your guy? OK, but make em pay thru the nose. Most talent raiders will walk away.
That's the design of such buyouts... Someone wants to steal your guy? OK, but make em pay thru the nose. Most talent raiders will walk away.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:05 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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What if he had a reciprocal buyout on a 10 year deal - wasn't Saban getting 2.5 mil? 25 million buyout might have stopped Miami cold.
Those kinds of reciprocal buyouts don’t even exist now.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:08 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Of course they do.
Those kinds of reciprocal buyouts don’t even exist now.
Ones that don't demonstrate adequate consideration going both ways are all but gone. Like non-compete clauses for middle management employees
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:13 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I am unaware of them
Os buyout if he left is substantially smaller than if LSU fires him.
Jeremy Pruitts owes like 1 million per year on contract, vs the schools buyout which is 60% of the buyout.
Mullen’s buyout is 12 million vs the 2 he owes if he leaves.
I am Unaware of a lot of coaches who have an equal buyout if they leave a school.
Os buyout if he left is substantially smaller than if LSU fires him.
Jeremy Pruitts owes like 1 million per year on contract, vs the schools buyout which is 60% of the buyout.
Mullen’s buyout is 12 million vs the 2 he owes if he leaves.
I am Unaware of a lot of coaches who have an equal buyout if they leave a school.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:22 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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35 of those programs pay their HCs more than LSU.
List them.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:23 pm to Topwater Trout
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after watching last year with a qb who had only thrown a handful of passes in his career and a few months with the team, young wr's, a line that under performed for whatever reason and no dynamic rb's you should think that next year we will improve drastically offensively
are you saying LSU fans should hope and pray for better offensive results?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:32 pm to SammyTiger
quote:All clauses that aren't illegal are open to negotiation.
I am Unaware of a lot of coaches who have an equal buyout if they leave a school.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:33 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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35 of those programs pay their HCs more than LSU.
quote:The link is above. you too lazy to scroll up? Then, me too.
List them.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 3:34 pm
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