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re: As of right now LSU MBB will only lose 3 players after this season
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:20 pm to Genestealer55
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:20 pm to Genestealer55
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Centers and power forwards playing 25.5 minutes per game should get 2-3 assists per game
We're not exactly a high assist team with the way we play under Wade. When you play a lot of 1 on 1 ball with screeners, and so many guys who want to score...you're not going to find a lot of extra passing. Wade would rather a guy take an open shot and us go for the offensive rebound then look for an extra pass at times here and there.
Wade's teams the last 4 years in terms of assists per FGM:
2018-19 = 45.7% (313th in D1; #12 in offensive efficiency)
2019-20 = 44.9% (314th in D1; #4 in offensive efficiency)
2020-21 = 42.0% (338th in D1; #5 in offensive efficiency)
2021-22 = 47.0% (262nd in D1; #77 in offensive efficiency)...expect this to continue to dip in conference play as well
Also shows how irrelevant assist rate is to offensive efficiency . We're some of the worst assist rate teams in the country consistently yet had top offenses from 2018-19 through 2020-2021. Our assist rate went up a bit this year so far and our offensive efficiency tanked
Combine a lot of 1 on 1 basketball with guys who typically arent great shooters and you get pretty low assist rate teams.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 3:25 pm
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Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:23 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Says who? Because the reality is very few of them do. How could you possibly say with any confidence that the vast majority of a group that doesn’t do something should be doing that thing?
Saying C and PF should have 2 assists at least per 25.5 minutes is my personal belief based on unselfish play will benefit the team. But yes..most centers and pFs when they get the ball..they believe that means their only option is to try and score.
I know Wilt had almost double digit assists one year. Kareem was like a 4+ assist guy..yes I know it’s not normal..but a guard should have more than 0.8 assists per 25.5 min..regardless
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:24 pm to Lester Earl
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He's had 3rd guards not even average 2 assists per game. lol
I’m not in favor of this lol
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:27 pm to Genestealer55
There's only 1 center in the NBA right now averaging more than 4.3 assists a game. There's only 6 total averaging 3 or more assists a game. Keep in mind they play 48 minutes compared to 40 in college and have a 24 second shot clock compared to 30 in college, so waayyyy more possessions/shots.
I just dont see why anyone would really even care about the assist rate of guys like C/PF or even some guards if your team has an elite offense. Heck, I even showed above Wade's best assist rate team (this year) is also his worst offensively the last 4 seasons.
I just dont see why anyone would really even care about the assist rate of guys like C/PF or even some guards if your team has an elite offense. Heck, I even showed above Wade's best assist rate team (this year) is also his worst offensively the last 4 seasons.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:32 pm to thunderbird1100
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I just dont see why anyone would really even care about the assist rate of guys like C/PF or even some guards if your team has an elite offense. Heck, I even showed above Wade's best assist rate team (this year) is also his worst offensively the last 4 seasons.
I don’t care about c/pf assists..I was just making a pt that I think they should have more than .8 assists per 25.5 min. I’m always willing to learn and be wrong..so can you give me some assist ratio stats of recent final four teams? Maybe I’m completely wrong about assists really meaning anything.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:33 pm to Genestealer55
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I don’t care about c/pf assists..I was just making a pt that I think they should have more than .8 assists per 25.5 min. I’m always willing to learn and be wrong..so can you give me some assist ratio stats of recent final four teams? Maybe I’m completely wrong about assists really meaning anything.
Did you really look at Darius Days last year who was shooting 66% from 2 and 40% from 3 and get upset because he only had 18 assists in 28 games (0.6 per game)? He was one of the most efficient offensive players in the country. Screw passing the ball, you tell him take your shot.
final Four last year was:
Gonzaga - 79th in assist per FGM
Baylor - 86th in assist per FGM
Houston - 159th in assist per FGM
UCLA - 191st in assist per FGM
Some of those are only that high because all 4 teams were at least 34.7% from 3 teams. High assist rate is not an indicator of good offense or a final four team. East Carolina led the country in assists/FGM last season at 67.2% (incredibly high), and they had the 232nd most efficient offense and were a 8-11 team.
Assist rates to me just are a fuzzy indicator of many things because it requires someone else to make the shot. you could have 2 identical teams pass the ball identically and "Setup" others identically. If 1 team shoots 37% from 3 and the other 31% from 3, one will have a likely decently higher assist rate than the other despite doing exactly the same thing passing the ball.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:37 pm to Genestealer55
Miller is most likely your starting point next year. That is unless you want Murray to sit
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:41 pm to Genestealer55
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I’m not in favor of this lol
Im not a huge fan of how Wade constructs his roster.
He builds 50 win, conference-semi Trailblazer rosters. They are fun, and will always show well. I don't know if that will ever be championship caliber.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:50 pm to IndianInBR
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have a feeling Colbert or Eezewiro will transfer out next season. And probably one of the guards too, my thought is Gaines but hopefully I am wrong.
Yep it happens every year. I fully expect to see at least a guard and forward or 2 head out. Possibly either Justice Williams or Gaines. And then you have O’neal, Eziwiro, and Colbert. All those guys just aren’t sticking around.
I’d be pretty damn excited to hold on to a roster that includes Adam Miller, B Murray, Fudge, Mwani, Efton, and Justice or Gaines. Bring in absolute stud Julian Phillips & a transfer PG. That is an elite 8 man.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:51 pm to Lester Earl
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He builds 50 win, conference-semi Trailblazer rosters. They are fun, and will always show well. I don't know if that will ever be championship caliber.
A lot of times teams you dont expect in the final four make it. 2006 LSU was an example of that. We couldnt shoot the 3 well, and scrapped our way to a final four that year (32.4% on season) with defense (3rd in defensive efficiency). That's something this team will have to do if they are going to make a tourney run as well. Lean on the defense the whole way basically and hope for some luck here and there.
Heck, UCLA was an 11 seed last year and made it. They lost their last 4 games entering the tournament and were only 17-9 overall. Some outliers will always exist.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:51 pm to thunderbird1100
Thanks for the info..I need to rethink my feelings about assists for sure. I’m an old fart and it was way more important back in the day.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:54 pm to OGtigerfan87
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Miller is most likely your starting point next year. That is unless you want Murray to sit
If you’ve read all of my posts this thread..you know I want Miller in the lineup and not at the expense of Murray.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:57 pm to TigerMonkey7
This team will be even more loaded next year. Eason and unfortunately Reid are gone. I really think much like JOB3 if Reid came back for another year or two he is definitely worthy of getting early 2nd to a late first round grade, I mean look what Reath did in just one full year and offseason under Wade.
G Miller
G Pinson
F Wilkinson
F Phillips
C O'Neal
Then off the bench
G Gaines
Wing Fudge
Wing Murray
C Colbert
G Williams
F Ree (Little bit raw but could see him playing a little more)
I know X is a senior but I believe he has 2 to play could be wrong with the extra Covid year. Then with whoever you have in the portal, I also believe you could lose one of Colbert or Ezewiro more than likely Colbert so that could be an extra 2 players from the portal team will be even better as the OP said Miller is likely in the running for SEC player of the year if he plays.
G Miller
G Pinson
F Wilkinson
F Phillips
C O'Neal
Then off the bench
G Gaines
Wing Fudge
Wing Murray
C Colbert
G Williams
F Ree (Little bit raw but could see him playing a little more)
I know X is a senior but I believe he has 2 to play could be wrong with the extra Covid year. Then with whoever you have in the portal, I also believe you could lose one of Colbert or Ezewiro more than likely Colbert so that could be an extra 2 players from the portal team will be even better as the OP said Miller is likely in the running for SEC player of the year if he plays.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 4:07 pm to thunderbird1100
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A lot of times teams you dont expect in the final four make it. 2006 LSU was an example of that.
They did have 3 NBA players, and the style of play fit well during that time period. They were probably under-coached, too.
and the two Mitchell's are the type of 4 year guys that Will Wade hasn't really retained.
And Im not saying they can't sneak into a Final Four. You catch a year with a lot of parity, and anything can happen. This year seems to be shaping up like that, if they can stay healthy, and get the right matchups come March. It's a lot easier being a higher seed (2,3,4) compared to a 7 or 8.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 4:52 pm to Lester Earl
I know Murray comes off the bench, but he is the best freshman on the team and has a high ceiling.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 8:43 pm to TigerMonkey7
We are going to be really good for at least as long as Wade is the coach.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 9:19 pm to TigerMonkey7
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MBB will lose only 3 players
...less'un somebody chooses to opt out, or enter the transfer portal.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 9:25 pm to BLD
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I know Murray comes off the bench, but he is the best freshman on the team and has a high ceiling.
Murray has started every game he has played.
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