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Article on BV defensive adjustment vs OSU
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:13 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:13 am
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:19 am to Nado Jenkins83
This offense has the answers regardless because Joe is amazing at processing and adjusting. Every play gives him the answer because the defense answers it for him.
Goodluck to Clemson trying to disguise because nobody has been able to all year.
Goodluck to Clemson trying to disguise because nobody has been able to all year.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:13 am to Nado Jenkins83
LSU is running an NFL based offense with skill players at every position to execute it - these articles are fun to read and learn even for college coaches that lack NFL exposure/experience. The collegiate level is very far behind the pros, with good reason, but the scheme, the QB, the skill players, and the overall concept of LSUs offensive attack is designed to handle inverted TPA 2 or whatever else you think of.... LSU can focus on the match up and/or pick you apart by being patient and get 12 yards per play.
Not to mention the power running game to balance it out....that is another topic for another time.
Again, cool article but it’s a bit silly considering the concepts that LSU is running with the skill players executing it.
Not to mention the power running game to balance it out....that is another topic for another time.
Again, cool article but it’s a bit silly considering the concepts that LSU is running with the skill players executing it.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 4:15 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 5:12 am to BHMTiger84
I think a lot of people that didn't play football or coach or anything, would be surprised to know how simple our scheme is and how we run just a handful of plays each game
The reason it works is because we don't sub and let teams sub .we just take our tight end and rb and split them out, so if you have lbs in the game, you cant sub them out for corners to guard ceh or moss and the lbs can't cover them, one because of size and the other because he's so quick.
Also, the plays we run are also ran out of every formation. They run a lot of choice routes or leverage routes where the qb and wr have to be on the same page. It's hard to defend when the receiver just breaks off ur leverage and the qb knows where that will be as well.
Those bunch formations are pro route combos, most definitely.
If you had to tell someone about our offense, the best way to describe it is that
..
We are a spread offense, that doesn't sub or huddle and is mostly up tempo ,with NFL passing and formation concepts ,along with a large package of rpo concepts.
Then you would tell them about the "check with me" we do most of the time.
Funny side note from last game... Oklahoma sucked so bad that we didn't even feel the need to do the check with me because it didn't matter how they lined up, we were gonna beat them with whatever was out there.
The reason it works is because we don't sub and let teams sub .we just take our tight end and rb and split them out, so if you have lbs in the game, you cant sub them out for corners to guard ceh or moss and the lbs can't cover them, one because of size and the other because he's so quick.
Also, the plays we run are also ran out of every formation. They run a lot of choice routes or leverage routes where the qb and wr have to be on the same page. It's hard to defend when the receiver just breaks off ur leverage and the qb knows where that will be as well.
Those bunch formations are pro route combos, most definitely.
If you had to tell someone about our offense, the best way to describe it is that
..
We are a spread offense, that doesn't sub or huddle and is mostly up tempo ,with NFL passing and formation concepts ,along with a large package of rpo concepts.
Then you would tell them about the "check with me" we do most of the time.
Funny side note from last game... Oklahoma sucked so bad that we didn't even feel the need to do the check with me because it didn't matter how they lined up, we were gonna beat them with whatever was out there.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 5:22 am to Nado Jenkins83
quote:Interestingly, JB is getting used to the unexpected. Venables will give him more of that.
im sure Burrow will have an answer.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:44 am to NC_Tigah
The non subbing for Clemson will kill them in the end. It worked extremely well for OSU until Dobbins got hurt and they had to change things up. Book it. Their D will be sucking wind by the 2nd quarter!
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:05 am to BHMTiger84
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LSU is running an NFL based offense with skill players at every position to execute it - these articles are fun to read and learn even for college coaches that lack NFL exposure/experience. The collegiate level is very far behind the pros, with good reason, but the scheme, the QB, the skill players, and the overall concept of LSUs offensive attack is designed to handle inverted TPA 2 or whatever else you think of.... LSU can focus on the match up and/or pick you apart by being patient and get 12 yards per play.
Not to mention the power running game to balance it out....that is another topic for another time.
Again, cool article but it’s a bit silly considering the concepts that LSU is running with the skill players executing it.
While true, Clemson/Venables will be throwing a lot at Joe. Joe has been tremendous at making the right read, but has made a few mistakes. This game will be a test for him processing information and making the right decision. Likely it will be the most a DC has thrown at him in his time at LSU.
LSU will still score - though the match-ups in the redzone will be very interesting to watch.
What I wonder/worry about is if Clemson has just a few plays that cause a bad read and they get a couple of turnovers. 1-3 possession changes could take what I think will be a 10-17 point LSU win into a very close game.
I also think if Clemson uses that five man front and blitzing to try to cover the run, we will pick up some holes and gash them. One thing CEH has excelled at is making one guy miss.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:08 am to pitbull20
You mean Dobbins getting hurt and not running the ball down their throats
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:09 am to geauxcoco
Not only cant they sub, they won't be able to look to the sideline many plays like they rely on so much.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:10 am to Tigerpride18
quote:
The reason it works is because we don't sub and let teams sub .we just take our tight end and rb and split them out, so if you have lbs in the game, you cant sub them out for corners to guard ceh or moss and the lbs can't cover them, one because of size and the other because he's so quick.
Also, the plays we run are also ran out of every formation. They run a lot of choice routes or leverage routes where the qb and wr have to be on the same page. It's hard to defend when the receiver just breaks off ur leverage and the qb knows where that will be as well.
Those bunch formations are pro route combos, most definitely.
this is all really funny because this is all classic air raid passing. the NFL steals the concepts and we finally get them and we are now "pro-style", after a decade+ of this board freaking out over running the air raid. just like how in this thread posters are saying "this is an advanced NFL offense college defenses haven't seen".
for further evidence, remember that Joe Brady is a college coach who was brought on by the Saints to teach college concepts. he spent a whopping 2 years in the NFL as a non-coach/assistant and that was his only direct "coaching" experience on offense (at PSU he was a GA and prior to that he was a defensive coach).
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:21 am to Nado Jenkins83
Good read-thanks for posting
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:35 am to Tigerpride18
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Also, the plays we run are also ran out of every formation. They run a lot of choice routes or leverage routes where the qb and wr have to be on the same page. It's hard to defend when the receiver just breaks off ur leverage and the qb knows where that will be as well.
Those bunch formations are pro route combos, most definitely.
yep. no predictability based on formations or player personnel because we run everything with everyone out every damn formation all out the gun. they do not know wtf is coming. we also run the option routes with receivers based off inside/outside leverage. NFL teams do this.
They can guess down and distance but that is it. no more tipping with formations or personnel or being predicatble only using 1/3 of the field for runs and 2/3 for passes most the time like les miles did.
we gonna frick clmeson up. venables is great but he cannot execute for these guys.
UGA has a better D than the fake tiggers and BAMA with tua has a better offense. we have beaten both. hurts is a better runner than tranny boy and we contained him. our DB's will cover back end. we will blitz ans spy tranny and play man on etienne. OSU played too much zone on TE out backfield.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 7:37 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:37 am to Nado Jenkins83
Just what was noticed by two others and obvious during the game, OSU had problems moving the ball when Dobbins was out, and hobbled through the end.
OSU is a run first team to set up the pass and Dobbins not in makes all the difference in the world.
Note that Dobbins rushed for 174 yards while hobbled on the "vaunted" Venable D.
OSU is a run first team to set up the pass and Dobbins not in makes all the difference in the world.
Note that Dobbins rushed for 174 yards while hobbled on the "vaunted" Venable D.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:45 am to Nado Jenkins83
You think Tampa two step will bother the E&B special?
Is that a three man rush?
Is that a three man rush?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:45 am to Fat Bastard
quote:
yep. no predictability based on formations or player personnel because we run everything with everyone out every damn formation all out the gun. they do not know wtf is coming. we also run the option routes with receivers based off inside/outside leverage. NFL teams do this.
this is literally the foundation of the air raid
same plays out of different formations
QB/WR reading the D and determining routes
hell, the super advanced versions don't even have real playbooks. it's all just concepts, not plays.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:18 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Here’s the goal with the inverted Tampa 2, particularly as Venables used it here against old friend Kevin Wilson and Ohio State’s power run game:
1) You clog the interior gaps and force the game to be played in space.
Sounds like a great plan. Burrow and his his WRs love playing in space. In fact they look for it on every play.
quote:
2) You flood that space with athletes. Wallace and Muse can serve as overhangs to either side of the ball and Simmons is a wildcard, moving all over the place in support.
So LSU will match athlete with athlete and Clemson D will make Joe find the open guy. Okay...sounds like a good plan.
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3) You can rely on movement and speed in the box with your DL and LBs and try to confuse the OL without as much fear about getting washed out or creased because there’s more speed and help behind you.
4) You confuse the QB and OC about what coverage you’re in and prevent them from throwing the ball effectively with targeted play-calls and pre-snap reads.
Ohio State was completely flummoxed by this approach and really struggled with all four of Clemson’s aims. When you’re facing a dime structure your instinct is to run the dang ball, especially when that’s been your bread and butter all year, but…
Burrow is a better RPO reader than Fields. Burrow will hold the mesh point until the Clemson LB and/or safety commits one way or the other.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Member the Leach for OC rumor thread in summer 2010 or whenever
I mean how interesting would it have been to see Leach running air raid combined with Les shoehorning the iform into it just like he did with every other OC
I mean how interesting would it have been to see Leach running air raid combined with Les shoehorning the iform into it just like he did with every other OC
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 8:22 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:46 am to Nado Jenkins83
No different than Bama Georgia or Auburn. Good players all over the field.
If Clemson puts five players in the box we will run all over than.
Burrow is a much better reader/progression/checkdown guy than Fields. Burrow is also a much better/more accurate passer.
This is why you play it out on the field
If Clemson puts five players in the box we will run all over than.
Burrow is a much better reader/progression/checkdown guy than Fields. Burrow is also a much better/more accurate passer.
This is why you play it out on the field
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Good pts
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