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re: Are you More or Less Comfortable with the qb position?
Posted on 9/8/09 at 4:22 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Posted on 9/8/09 at 4:22 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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i'll take 0 turnovers all season long
i'll take 0 turnovers all season long
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Posted on 9/8/09 at 4:35 pm to TheDoc
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2 head shots are bonehead mistakes...as was the throw from the endzone that was an inch away from a pick-6.
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so we're judging his play by "almosts" now? wow...
Come come, now.
You know that in the eyes of many Tiger "fans" he's going to have a much, much smaller margin of error than Lee had.
He commits not one turnover but even then, according to some, because the defender maybe got a finger on the ball, Jefferson made "bonehead mistakes".
We're not talking about a dropped interception by Washington, mind you. We're talking about passes that never even came close to being intercepted. One pass was deflected with one hand out of bounds and another fell to the ground harmlessly to the ground, at least a yard in front of the nearest defender.
But to some here, because those passes were thrown by Jordan Jefferson and not Mauck, Flynn, or Lee, those are now considered "bonehead mistakes".
We all know that JJ will have to be ten times better than Lee, Flynn, or Mauck in order to be judged accordingly by the average LSU fan.
I use the term "judged accordingly" because, and this obviously goes without saying, the term "judged fairly" simply will not apply to JJ as long as he's the starter.
It just won't. And that's the way it's always been.
Zero turnovers now equal "bonehead mistakes".
I wonder had Lee taken those hits last year in any game, if people here would be calling him "boneheaded"?
No--I think those same people would be saying that Lee has the heart of a champion, or that he just wants it so bad--that's why he took the hits. Because Lee just wanted to leave it all on the field for the Tigers team. And that Lee willed us to victory. If Lee hadn't been willing to sacrifice his body, LSU would have lost.
But since it was Jordan Jefferson who got hit hard, then we see the term "bonehead mistakes" instead of the term "because he wanted to win".
And from what I've seen and experienced in my forty years on this earth, within and outside of the context of sports, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Just wait until Jefferson really does make a mistake.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 4:39 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Perhaps, but to this point in time you still haven't told me what greater expectations you had for the guy.
OK. Not that I expect this to be met with anything but dismissal.
1)Of course, I like the stat line but..
2)He appears to have difficulty reading the defense. Those who point to the lack of time seem unaware that part of reading a defense is knowing your blocking scheme and seeing that one rusher is uncovered(something that happened several times). Experienced QBs see this and adjust. Perhaps he will also.
3)Once his feet react to the rush, the whole world could break wide open and he wouldn't appear to see it at this point. This didn't matter much against Wash but at some point this season, our WRs will not totally outclass those trying to cover them. THEN, it will matter.
4)Early in the game, he rushed. His throw to the EZ to his left in the red zone was a VERY bad throw.
5)We saw NOTHING in this game to indicate he is accurate up the field. You hardly can count hitting Toliver over the middle when there wasn't a defender within 10 yards. Unless of course, you expect this to be the norm when facing SEC defenses.
NOTE: All of the above are curable. They are merely CURRENT observations of JJ. They are not intended to say he can't improve. They are merely points of concern that if not fixed, WILL impact us during the season.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 4:42 pm to offdacorner
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He commits not one turnover but even then, according to some, because the defender maybe got a finger on the ball, Jefferson made "bonehead mistakes".
I don't think Jefferson made any "boneheaded" mistakes.
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We all know that JJ will have to be ten times better than Lee, Flynn, or Mauck in order to be judged accordingly by the average LSU fan.
He is obviously a superior physical talent to Mauck. Thus far, on the field, he has proven to be a superior "head" talent to Lee. However, thus far, Lee and Flynn are/were MUCH better pure passers. Again, that's a current, not permanent assessment.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 4:54 pm to Chad504boy
assuming this thread is still on topic. i know i am way behind.
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Jefferson started slow. but really stepped up his play as the game went on.
i don't think it is a secret that Jefferson is 19 years old making his 3rd start in a surprisingly loud stadium. though maybe the coaches weren't as surprised as i was and they called the game accordingly.
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Jefferson started slow. but really stepped up his play as the game went on.
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The ONLY thing that worries me about the QB play was why was Les Miles treating him with such kit gloves. What does he he know that we don't? What does JJ not know that we think he does?
i don't think it is a secret that Jefferson is 19 years old making his 3rd start in a surprisingly loud stadium. though maybe the coaches weren't as surprised as i was and they called the game accordingly.
This post was edited on 9/8/09 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 9/8/09 at 5:53 pm to ShortyRob
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OK. Not that I expect this to be met with anything but dismissal.
They are your reasons for how you feel and there is no reason for me to dismiss them. Your expectation are your expectations. Perhaps I have lowered mine in light of our QB display of last season.....who knows.
I'm glad you like his stats cause I do as well and I know stats are not the begin all and end all, but I do feel that they have a place when we discuss the worth/ability/results of a player. In the 3 games JJ has started for us he has put the ball up 67 times for 500 yds with 6 TDs and 0 ints. Now I know that is not all world or anything and it hasn't been against the likes of a Bama, a Fla, a Miss, or a Ga, but for a kid who just turned 19 it's not all that bad and it makes me more comfortable, to this point in time, than with what went on in the 1st 10 games last yr.
That all I'm saying..........
Posted on 9/8/09 at 5:59 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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In the 3 games JJ has started for us he has put the ball up 67 times for 500 yds with 6 TDs and 0 ints
Clearly, this beats outnumbering your TDs with INTs.
I do think some critique of JJ is sometimes taken as a desire to have JL brought in. While I sincerely hope JL proves to be an asset in the future, I don't actually care who starts or plays.
I merely said that I am concerned based upon last Saturday about our QB situation as it relates to facing SEC defenses down the road.
These are not concerns that are impossible to fix but if they are not fixed, they WILL be an issue.
For my straight up opinion, I think that they will remain a concern. I think the coaches last year took so long to pull the trigger on bringing in JJ because they see some of the same issues in him. I think they also kept the reigns on him at Wash. because they see the same concerns. I think they see JL as throwing the better ball(and seriously, he OBVIOUSLY does) but as the guy who proved too erratic in real games. Meanwhile, they see JJ as a guy who makes fewer mistakes but whom they can't let loose. A guy who they have to pare the offense down for.
But, as I said, that last paragraph is simply my opinion. Hope I'm proven wrong as the season progresses.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:17 pm to ShortyRob
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A guy who they have to pare the offense down for.
Actually, we know for a fact that this applies to Jarrett Lee.
Last year's results clearly illustrate that.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:30 pm to Chad504boy
More comfortable. JJ is a good QB. Better than JL, so I'm cool.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:36 pm to offdacorner
Nice post, offdacorner. If JJ was at any other position, you wouldn't hear a pin drop from the usual suspects.
Love the sig quote.
Everyone is not an LSU fan. I don't care if they wear the colors or not. They wouldn't understand the first thing about being a fan (unconditional loyalty).
LSU has some great fans, but they are sometimes stereotyped by the losers that are posing as fans. Being a fan is more than wearing the colors.
Love the sig quote.
Everyone is not an LSU fan. I don't care if they wear the colors or not. They wouldn't understand the first thing about being a fan (unconditional loyalty).
LSU has some great fans, but they are sometimes stereotyped by the losers that are posing as fans. Being a fan is more than wearing the colors.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:40 pm to better
I am starting to wonder if the people who are quick to play the race card are not a bit racist themselves.
Why does it bother so many people if they prefer Lee to Jefferson. Obviously Jefferson is the starter so what really does it matter, other than to annoy a certain crowd.
Same thing with Flynn and Russell some people just prefer Flynn because he was a Championship while Russell did not. It doesn't have to do with race and it may not be an accurate telling of who was better QB but it is their preference.
Let people believe what they want, coming on a message board is not going to change their opinions.
Why does it bother so many people if they prefer Lee to Jefferson. Obviously Jefferson is the starter so what really does it matter, other than to annoy a certain crowd.
Same thing with Flynn and Russell some people just prefer Flynn because he was a Championship while Russell did not. It doesn't have to do with race and it may not be an accurate telling of who was better QB but it is their preference.
Let people believe what they want, coming on a message board is not going to change their opinions.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:41 pm to LSU Slacker
Nice attempt to spin.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:42 pm to LSU Slacker
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I am starting to wonder if the people who are quick to play the race card are not a bit racist themselves.
the people who call out others on the rant hate their own race?
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:49 pm to LSU Slacker
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I am starting to wonder if the people who are quick to play the race card are not a bit racist themselves.
Yes, just like that meddlesome Martin Luther King.
He should have just kept his mouth shut when Whites referred to him as Sambo or worse.
And what's a good lynching or castration among friends anyway?
I love it when someone just finds it so convenient to pretend there are no racists on this board and in this world, when they see evidence of it every day.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:49 pm to Sammobile
Considering it is the first thing people believe when someone mentions belief in Lee. People cannot accept others prefer an immobile, stand in pocket, gun slinger.
Instead of race card, just chalk it up to lack of football knowledge and move on. Instead we have more Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons on this website than imaginable.
It’s like the cool thing to do to call someone out on a comment you might deem racist.
Instead of race card, just chalk it up to lack of football knowledge and move on. Instead we have more Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons on this website than imaginable.
It’s like the cool thing to do to call someone out on a comment you might deem racist.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:50 pm to offdacorner
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Yes, just like that meddlesome Martin Luther King.
He should have just kept his mouth shut when Whites referred to him as Sambo or worse.
And what's a good lynching or castration among friends anyway?
I love it when someone just finds it so convenient to pretend there are no racists on this board and in this world, when they see evidence of it every day.
uh oh I said something someone doesn't like so he is gonna label me.
What a loser
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:52 pm to LSU Slacker
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Considering it is the first thing people believe when someone mentions belief in Lee. People cannot accept others prefer an immobile, stand in pocket, gun slinger.
Instead of race card, just chalk it up to lack of football knowledge and move on. Instead we have more Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons on this website than imaginable.
It’s like the cool thing to do to call someone out on a comment you might deem racist.
Yes that's it.
Just pretend like you've never seen all the racist reasons for criticizing Jordan Jefferson and Jamarcus Russell on this board.
I'm sure your hypocrisy will get you a long way in this world.
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:53 pm to offdacorner
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Yes, just like that meddlesome Martin Luther King.
He should have just kept his mouth shut when Whites referred to him as Sambo or worse.
And what's a good lynching or castration among friends anyway?
I love it when someone just finds it so convenient to pretend there are no racists on this board and in this world, when they see evidence of it every day.
holy mother of god...
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:54 pm to LSU Slacker
Try reading the comments before you assume its because we just differ on QB preference.
Hell, race was introduced by the ones you're defending when you refer to someone as "sambo".
You are being very hypocritical by telling us to be objective and polite.
You'd be surprised at how many of us are caucasian. Blacks are not the only ones that hate racism so your Jackson and Sharpton references don't apply here. Try JFK or Lincoln. Or is Jackson and Sharpton the only people that care about civil rights?
Hell, race was introduced by the ones you're defending when you refer to someone as "sambo".
You are being very hypocritical by telling us to be objective and polite.
You'd be surprised at how many of us are caucasian. Blacks are not the only ones that hate racism so your Jackson and Sharpton references don't apply here. Try JFK or Lincoln. Or is Jackson and Sharpton the only people that care about civil rights?
Posted on 9/8/09 at 6:54 pm to offdacorner
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Yes that's it.
Just pretend like you've never seen all the racist reasons for criticizing Jordan Jefferson and Jamarcus Russell on this board.
I'm sure your hypocrisy will get you a long way in this world.
Oh no he is angry now, watch out he is E-RAGING
Come on people like yourself take one comment someone says and makes it racist. Wouldn't matter if they meant it how you took it or not. I do not deny there are racist on this board but to try and spin each argument into a racist one is really fail.
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