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re: Are u more concerned with bama or the refs?

Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:48 pm to
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59598 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:48 pm to
Of course the answer is Bama but you’d have to be blind or a fool to deny that the refs are in their pocket and will cause trouble. A good coach knows this going in and knows you have to coach the game like you’re 14 points down at all times to compensate for the fact that the refs will try to swing the game in their favor at crucial moments.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:05 pm to
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This isn't a Bama thing. It is a MONEY thing.


All the more reason Alabama will get the benefit of the doubt if it happens to be a close game in the 4th quarter (for the record, I doubt it will be, but you never know).
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:15 pm to
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you’d have to be blind or a fool to deny that the refs are in their pocket


Here lies the problem.

"Unlike in NCAA basketball, which draws referees from pools overseen by groups of conferences, most football referees are hired, trained, rewarded, and disciplined by individual conferences. That means officials are entrusted with making decisions that could hurt their employers—as with the call in the Clemson-FSU game. Clemson was the ACC team with the better shot at making the College Football Playoff and the financial bonanza it dangles.
Do College Football Refs Have It In for Your Team? - There may be incest in big-time college football officiating


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In the fourth quarter of the Oct. 29 football game between No. 3 Clemson and 12th-ranked Florida State, the Seminoles were thinking upset. FSU led 28-26 when star tailback Dalvin Cook ripped off a 50-yard run into Clemson territory.

Then came a penalty flag for an illegal block, negating the play. FSU Coach Jimbo Fisher stormed the sideline, screaming at the officials, dropping an apparent F-bomb. Then came another flag, for unsportsmanlike conduct. FSU punted. Clemson escaped with a 37-34 win.
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He spent more than a year parsing almost 39,000 fouls called in games involving NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision teams in the 2012-2015 seasons. His research finds “ample evidence of biases among conference officials,” including “conference officials showing partiality towards teams with the highest potential to generate revenue for their conference.”



I don't know how much the refs make but I would hate to be the one that allowed an upset and cost my conference $20 million bucks. I would be nervous as hell about my job security.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:23 pm to
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All the more reason Alabama will get the benefit of the doubt if it happens to be a close game in the 4th quarter


Georgia is ranked #1 in the playoff standings.
Alabama is ranked #2 in the playoff standings.

They are probably done for they year. They could have games like this every week and it won't matter.
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Just about everything that could go wrong for the Gators did. They had four turnovers, three dropped passes, were gashed against the run and gave up more big plays in one game than they had all season. They missed a field goal and scored once in their first four trips inside the 20-yard line.

UF won 23-20 because of two horrible calls on UF's final drive
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:24 pm to
How about we just worry about scoring, period.
Posted by Bengal26
Member since Oct 2014
1846 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:25 pm to
So sick of hearing about the damn refs..
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59598 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:26 pm to
I don’t doubt that plays some part in it but in the case of Alabama and to lesser degree Auburn there’s just too much visual proof week in and week out to ignore that they always get calls. This happens for Ohio State, Notre Dame and USC as well so it’s not exclusive to our conference but there’s no doubt it happens.
Posted by FranMully
New Jersey
Member since Aug 2013
1317 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:33 pm to
You guys are idiots and this is loser talk. We lose to bama because we aren't as good or well coached. Get over it. Calls go both ways.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
19024 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:41 pm to
Maybe I'm missing something on the FSU-clem play because he did actually hold the son of Clem. Watch the FSU fullback grab his ankle from behind as he goes down.

This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 6:43 pm
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15240 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:43 pm to
Bama may not need the refs this year
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:45 pm to
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cheating s.o.b's


We are getting our excuses ready early.
Posted by boweswi05
birmingham
Member since Aug 2016
6248 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:45 pm to
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Agreed. Only losers blame the refs. Refs make mistakes, but overall it all balances out.

Since we haven't beat them since 2011, we look awful if we complain about the refs.

It ain't the refs.



For the most part it isn't the refs but to act like they don't play a part in outcomes of games is just naive.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8394 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:53 pm to
I’ve already accepted a few major screw jobs as an interwoven part of this matchup. Like I can’t even get mad about it anymore. It’s just part of the game.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:57 pm to
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Maybe I'm missing something on the FSU-clem play because he did actually hold the son of Clem. Watch the FSU fullback grab his ankle from behind as he goes down.


From ESPN on the FSU - Clemson game and penalty:

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but an official called Stevenson for an illegal block below the waist.

"It was ridiculous," Fisher said. "It was not a chop, it was a not chop. I will tell you what: You hold coaches accountable, you hold players accountable, hold the damn officials accountable. It is garbage, and then to call another penalty on the sideline is even more garbage. It's cowardly, gutless and wrong.

When in the open field, players are allowed to only block below the waist if the initial contact comes from the front.

The penalty had nothing to do with a hold. They called an illegal chop block. If that is an illegal block, every college game has a whole hell of a lot more than they call in each game.

Fisher said the officials could not give him an explanation for the penalty.
Posted by LaRougarou
East of the Mississippi
Member since Aug 2016
96 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:58 pm to
Hands down the refs. Over/under on a ala holding call?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59598 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:59 pm to
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Posted by HummaKavula
Viltvodle VI
Member since Sep 2017
22 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:23 pm to
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When in the open field, players are allowed to only block below the waist if the initial contact comes from the front.


Are they allowed to grab the foot of the defender? Because the FSU player clearly grabs the top of the CLEM player's foot...

The call was an illegal block below the waist but either way, he did something illegal and was penalized for it.
Posted by profwilson
Member since Jul 2004
893 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:32 pm to
If you actually read the article that you linked, it says that SEC officials "are the least biased in the Power 5." So, according to an actual systematic, data-based analysis, this issue is less a problem in the SEC than anywhere else. In addition, the article specifically disavows the idea that any biases result from pressure from the conference offices. To the extent that they exist (and the article says they do, albeit to a modest extent), they are probably sub-conscious, a result of officials just "expecting" certain teams to be good.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60811 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:33 pm to
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
12193 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:34 pm to
As a 3 TD dog we need to understand what that means before we start blaming officials pregame.
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