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re: Analyzing Lee's Throws (With Screenshots)
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:33 am to ATLTiger
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:33 am to ATLTiger
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Dan, do you still think Lee has below average arm strength?
His arm looked better this game for sure.
I don't think his arm is as strong as maybe he even thinks it is (purely judging from throws off the back foot where he just tries to go all arm), but below average was a harsh criticism.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:40 am to OBUDan
I understand. I believe he will improve, not just because I hope he does.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:56 am to OBUDan
I am gonna use the same argument the JJ lovers used in giving JJ credit for winning all 11 games last year, WE WON THE GAME! JJ is not playing because he made poor choices and his actions cost the LSU football team. JJ is not here by his own actions. Get over it OBU Dan. Lee is our QB whether you like it or not. Get behind him or find another team to follow. I wanted to win every game JJ played and personally feel playing a 2 QB system with JJ and Lee gives us the best chance to win but unfortunately JJ couldn't put his teammates first and made poor choices.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:58 am to peopleschamp
At no point in this thread did I say anything remotely positive about Jordan Jefferson.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:00 pm to OBUDan
Over-Analyzing Lee's Throws (With Screenshots)
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:09 pm to OBUDan
Some of this is being over thought. Clement could have caught either of those passes, he did get lit up pretty good on the second as the ball was in his hands, UO has very good speed on D. Let's not forget CC was converted to TE last season and had a whopping two receptions, I don't care what he did in high school. If I were Lee I would be looking for RR and DP every play until some other receivers make plays, although Beckham looks like he will be a gamer.
Lee's anxiousness to distribute the ball is also being driven by the adage not to take negative yardage when LSU is trying to grind out 1st downs primarily via the run. See the 1's and 2's quickly and get rid of the ball. With that said, the sack he took when he moved forward 5 yards, then backwards 5 yards and was sacked left me scratching my head. I don't know where JL ends up the year, but with improvement by the new receivers he should get better. UO's DB speed is very similar to top SEC team's, so I think JL will be fine, not lights out, but fine.
Something that I noticed quite a bit last season and again vs UO is RR standing around when the ball is not thrown to him. He virtually stood and watched from like 4 feet away as Ware caught a pass, was trying to churn through 2-3 defenders for a game changing first down while other Tigers came in to block/assist and RR continues to stand apart. I don't get that or appreciate it, buck up, man.
Lee's anxiousness to distribute the ball is also being driven by the adage not to take negative yardage when LSU is trying to grind out 1st downs primarily via the run. See the 1's and 2's quickly and get rid of the ball. With that said, the sack he took when he moved forward 5 yards, then backwards 5 yards and was sacked left me scratching my head. I don't know where JL ends up the year, but with improvement by the new receivers he should get better. UO's DB speed is very similar to top SEC team's, so I think JL will be fine, not lights out, but fine.
Something that I noticed quite a bit last season and again vs UO is RR standing around when the ball is not thrown to him. He virtually stood and watched from like 4 feet away as Ware caught a pass, was trying to churn through 2-3 defenders for a game changing first down while other Tigers came in to block/assist and RR continues to stand apart. I don't get that or appreciate it, buck up, man.
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:10 pm to slackster
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1) If a pass hits a receiver in the hands, he should catch it. Any receiver you ask would tell you the same.
Not necessarily true ... believe it or not, there is usually a defender in the area doing everything he can to prevent that catch. Sometimes, the defender actually manages to strip or deflect the ball, even though it hits the receiver in the hands.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 1:23 pm to 1984Tiger
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Not necessarily true ... believe it or not, there is usually a defender in the area doing everything he can to prevent that catch. Sometimes, the defender actually manages to strip or deflect the ball, even though it hits the receiver in the hands.
I understand that some passes can be defended, but my point is that any decent receiver will tell you that he should have come down with a ball that hits him in the hands.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 1:37 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
I guess my bandwidth was exceeded last night sometime.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 1:49 pm to slackster
quote:So what? I sure hope they will feel that way.
any decent receiver will tell you that he should have come down with a ball that hits him in the hands
What will defensive backs say about it though? Will they say that they have no chance to defend the ball or strip the ball before it's a reception? The answer to that question is a resounding No.
Just because a platitude exists, does not mean it's correct for every situation.
In the context of practice, it's correct. However, in the context of a game, it's simply not true. Not even the best receiver in the world will catch every pass that hits him in the hands. That doesn't mean it's a bad pass. That doesn't mean it's a drop.
One more thing, all things being equal, it's far easier for a db to knock the ball down than for a wr to catch it.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 1:50 pm to slackster
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I understand that some passes can be defended, but my point is that any decent receiver will tell you that he should have come down with a ball that hits him in the hands.
To me, this is a coaching adage that fans take literally and coaches use as more of a mindset than an actual coaching application.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 2:14 pm to OBUDan
Good analysis, thanks for doing that.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 2:22 pm to Housplants
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This thread has nothing to do with J.J.
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Right...
It has to everything to do with the LSU QB "controversy".
Everyone that watched the game last night saw that Lee made a few bad throws. Watch Tom Brady this week and you will see a few of those.
Your analysis showed that the majority have his passes were catchable passes, he made a couple of nice short throws that allowed receivers to run after the catch, and he made a couple of down the field throws that were very nice.
He threw no picks, he never threw into double-or-more coverage, and he was sacked only one time.
All of this against a highly ranked team in the 1st game of the season.
All-in-all, a good (not great) performance that should be appreciated by all LSU fans that do not have a axe to grind (JJ). Especially under the circumstances.
Excellent post and I would add that J. Lee was not able to get most of the snaps with the first team until just a week or so before the game. He should get better and better with more practice with the first team and not having to look over his shoulder at the possibility of Jefferson coming in at the first mistake.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 2:23 pm to OBUDan
"I just think we're playing tonight with a QB who is somehow worse than Jordan Jefferson."
The above is what you posted Saturday afternoon. Why not be honest about it - you have been sitting on Lee's neck on this Board for years and you just can't accept that the game ended well for the Tigers despite him being the QB. Your post is not well-intentioned or objective at all. Why not wait and see how the season progresses before you start getting your "digs" in?
The above is what you posted Saturday afternoon. Why not be honest about it - you have been sitting on Lee's neck on this Board for years and you just can't accept that the game ended well for the Tigers despite him being the QB. Your post is not well-intentioned or objective at all. Why not wait and see how the season progresses before you start getting your "digs" in?
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 9/5/11 at 2:32 pm to Santa Clause
Santa, I agree. He swivels his feet essentially the back foot moves forward and the forward foot moves backward. He is not stepping through his throws. He may have great motion in practice, but it did not transfer to the game Saturday. I was at the game and had excellent seats on the 50 yd line. I obviously could not see hit facial expression from except on the jumbo tron. But, Jarrett's body language conveyed some nervousness.
I prefer a pro-style offense with a QB that we know hands it off and throws. JJ has been sacked too often for holding the ball, possibly because he is thinking, "do I throw or run here?"
Lee's performance Saturday looked like last season. I did not see a new or improved Jarrett Lee. I did not see new plays or exciting inventive play calling. And, I often wondered why we were rotating Rueben Randell so often. If he's our number one WR, leave him in for the majority of the plays. Right?
If the coaching staff wants to see JLee grow in confidence, they will need to use the quick slant and more TE throws to get him into a rhythm. I am all for WR screens and bubble screens to build rhythm and confidence. And, a better more balanced attach.
Being able to watch the game live with no commentators or TV distractions, I got the feeling that our coaching staff simply felt like they could BEAT the Ducks up front and all they wanted to do was pound the ball over and over again. That strategy worked Saturday. But, will not work against MSU or AL and probably not against AR either.
I prefer a pro-style offense with a QB that we know hands it off and throws. JJ has been sacked too often for holding the ball, possibly because he is thinking, "do I throw or run here?"
Lee's performance Saturday looked like last season. I did not see a new or improved Jarrett Lee. I did not see new plays or exciting inventive play calling. And, I often wondered why we were rotating Rueben Randell so often. If he's our number one WR, leave him in for the majority of the plays. Right?
If the coaching staff wants to see JLee grow in confidence, they will need to use the quick slant and more TE throws to get him into a rhythm. I am all for WR screens and bubble screens to build rhythm and confidence. And, a better more balanced attach.
Being able to watch the game live with no commentators or TV distractions, I got the feeling that our coaching staff simply felt like they could BEAT the Ducks up front and all they wanted to do was pound the ball over and over again. That strategy worked Saturday. But, will not work against MSU or AL and probably not against AR either.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 3:22 pm to slackster
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C'mon AM
C'mon what?
Lee played adequate and the Leetards sprinted to their computers to justify his play by classifying defended passes as dropped balls.
There were two dropped passes last night. That's it.
There was three more passes that were "catchable" but hardly drops. One of those passes was defended because the ball was underthrown (OBJ in the endzone).
Just call it like it is. Lee played well enough for us to win and made some good passes in big spots.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 3:26 pm to Antonio Moss
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Lee played well enough for us to win and made some good passes in big spots.
which is what is expected from him the next hopefully 13 games.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 3:30 pm to faxis
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Lee will happen to be part of a team that wins a NC in spite of his being a terrible quarterback.
FIFY
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 3:31 pm
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