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re: An attempted unbiased analysis of Kirby Smart & Ed Orgeron in their first 2 years

Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:53 pm to
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
25456 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:53 pm to
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misrepresentation during booking


the cops couldn't understand him when he said his name. Could you imagine talking to a drunk and belligerent Orgeron? Holy shite
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted by dawgdayafternoon
Jacksonville, GA
Member since Jul 2011
22982 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:02 pm to
I will admit, Kirby's first year left a lot to be desired. He made some serious rookie in-game decisions that could have led to more losses if talent had been an issue.

One thing that was obvious after two shameful performances against Nicholls State (narrow win) and Ole Miss (blowout loss): the team showed up to play every week since, which wasn't the case in Mark Richt's final years. As a casual football fan last year, it appeared that Coach O had LSU competing and playing hard the rest of the season after the MSU and Troy games, much like Smart in his first season.

Beyond coaching errors... the offensive line, special teams play and redzone performance were the biggest reasons why UGA finished 8-5 in 2016. Smart addressed those issues in the offseason and turned them into arguably the team's biggest strengths in 2017.

I'm not an LSU fan, so it's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what LSU's greatest flaws were last season. If Orgeron has made any strides as a head coach, he can try and correct the team's biggest weaknesses and let his coordinators do their own thing.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 5:15 pm
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:05 pm to
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Jesus Christ dude. Your hatred of Eaux has you questioning anything involved with the Jerry Sandusky situation? Did you not see the post of the cross examination of a witness? You are a sick frick !@!!!
why is he not in jail if he knew about this and allowed it? Link to where he did nothing about Sandusky's actions.
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Not everyone is from Pussyville like you. When I was 15 I got hit in the head by a beer bottle. The SOB that did it is now my brother-in-law. I know he will protect my sister and is not a freaking wimp. When did the world turn into a bunch of Tom Hermans? I'd rather punch a grown man than kiss him. If you feel different then the masculinity thing going on at Texas right now should be right up your alley.
when you are a coach it's cool to get drunk and beat up people? cool
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Fighting in a bar had NEVER happened before. The only question I would have is if he won the barfight.
well it would explain his violence and why he had a restraining order put on him
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:06 pm to
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a drunk Orgeron head-butted the manager of a bar after Orgeron had been asked to leave. Years later, Orgeron would later tell the Orange County Register that he'd become angry after he wasn't allowed back in the bar to retrieve his credit card.


Same thing happened with me and a few other LSU fans and a bunch of Texas fans the year LSU played and beat Texas in the basketball tournament. We were at SRO in Houston giving each other shite during the game. After the game was over the Texas fans were yelling "ZAGA". We were like WTF????

They were watching the Gonzaga game on their TV. We wound up with our TV on the game yelling "Zaga" and buying them beers and them buying us beers.

We wound up Post Oak Drive at a Boat bar. My friend went missing for quite a while and I thought he may be off having a good time or hooked up with a chick. Later I was walking by a window and he was waving at me from the parking lot.

He had been kicked for some ridiculous BS. I went back inside and told the UT and LSU guys and we all wound up being kicked out after one of the UT guys punched the bouncer and tried to start a fight. Turned out he was an off-duty police officer with a bad attitude.

We went to a waffle house and I never thought about it again. Where I'm from this is just normal male behavior. If you are a puss, you are a puss. If that has never happened to you, you never partied.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:08 pm to
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you know this how?


From the post above yours:

"(A permanent injunction was granted and then rescinded in 1992.)"
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
15714 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:08 pm to
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I will admit, Kirby's first year left a lot to be desired. He made some serious rookie in-game decisions that could have led to more losses if talent was an issue. One thing was was apparent after two shameful performances against Nicholls State (narrow win) and Ole Miss (blowout loss) was that the team showed up to play every week, which wasn't the case in Mark Richt's final years. As a casual football fan last year, it looked like Coach O had LSU showing up and playing hard the rest of the season after the MSU and Troy games. Beyond coaching errors, the offensive line, special teams play and redzone defense were the biggest reasons why UGA finished 8-5 in 2016. Smart addressed those issues in the offseason and turned them into arguably the team's biggest strengths in 2017. I'm not an LSU fan, so it's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what LSU's greatest flaws were last season. If Orgeron has made any strides as a head coach, he can try and correct the team's biggest weaknesses and let his coordinators do their own thing.

Nice to see a neutral outsider's view. Thanks.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38013 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:09 pm to
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Same thing happened with me and a few other LSU fans and a bunch of Texas fans the year LSU played and beat Texas in the basketball tournament. We were at SRO in Houston giving each other shite during the game. After the game was over the Texas fans were yelling "ZAGA". We were like WTF????

They were watching the Gonzaga game on their TV. We wound up with our TV on the game yelling "Zaga" and buying them beers and them buying us beers.

We wound up Post Oak Drive at a Boat bar. My friend went missing for quite a while and I thought he may be off having a good time or hooked up with a chick. Later I was walking by a window and he was waving at me from the parking lot.

He had been kicked for some ridiculous BS. I went back inside and told the UT and LSU guys and we all wound up being kicked out after one of the UT guys punched the bouncer and tried to start a fight. Turned out he was an off-duty police officer with a bad attitude.

We went to a waffle house and I never thought about it again. Where I'm from this is just normal male behavior. If you are a puss, you are a puss. If that has never happened to you, you never partied.


This happening to you doesn't mean O isn't a violent oaf (and whatever, we don't know if that's true). It means you may also be. That's all.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 1:10 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75424 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:10 pm to
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A suitable resume wouldn't be going 6-2 at LSU with one loss being to the SEC West and multiple national champion Bama team?


7-1 and not losing to a miserable Florida team.

Having some kind of pulse against Bama on offense.

He had a chance even after Bama, but for me, the Florida game should have sealed it.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 1:14 pm
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:13 pm to
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well it would explain his violence and why he had a restraining order put on him


You need to follow badminton. seems more a fit for someone like you. Football is a violent sport and is not meant for wimps. If you can't stand MMA you probably have no business talking football.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38013 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:14 pm to
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One thing was was apparent after two shameful performances against Nicholls State (narrow win) and Ole Miss (blowout loss) was that the team showed up to play every week, which wasn't the case in Mark Richt's final years. As a casual football fan last year, it looked like Coach O had LSU showing up and playing hard the rest of the season after the MSU and Troy games.

Beyond coaching errors, the offensive line, special teams play and redzone defense were the biggest reasons why UGA finished 8-5 in 2016. Smart addressed those issues in the offseason and turned them into arguably the team's biggest strengths in 2017.

I'm not an LSU fan, so it's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what LSU's greatest flaws were last season. If Orgeron has made any strides as a head coach, he can try and correct the team's biggest weaknesses and let his coordinators do their own thing.


Except Smart did it from Year 1 to year 2 of being a head coach. That is a verifiable result, and proven "change" over an extremely short period of time. Understand. Learn. Iterate. He's proven he knows how to do it.

This will be O's 5th season as a head coach, 8th as a coach of some kind, and he's never made that kind of improvement.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75424 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:14 pm to
It’s also a sport and not a bar fight.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:19 pm to
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7-1 and not losing to a miserable Florida team.


But the OP was sucking off Georgia for losing to the SEC East Florida. Even though LSU's loss to them was by a lot less than Georgia's.

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Having some kind of pulse against Bama on offense


Which year? Interim or first year as a head coach?
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He had a chance even after Bama, but for me, the Florida game should have sealed it.


for Georgia like the OP is touting as a good loss or the LSU loss to UF which he thinks is a bad loss?

Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75424 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:22 pm to
I am Actually going to agree with you that the OP is BS because Os first year (2017) was better than Smart’s first year (2016).

I just Wanted to make it clear 5-2 wasn’t good enough to be names HC.

And Smart year 2 was huge. So O has a lot to live up to.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 1:23 pm
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:25 pm to
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You need to follow badminton. seems more a fit for someone like you. Football is a violent sport and is not meant for wimps. If you can't stand MMA you probably have no business talking football.
yeah I love having a violent ogre representing LSU. He's awesome because he barfights and hits women what a man.
Posted by TheBaker
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
4570 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:25 pm to
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Against the top two teams from SEC West last year Georgia was 1-2. If not for the re-do against Auburn they would have been 0-2 against those teams. LSU was 1-1 against the same two teams.


Georgia had the luxury of a rematch. Had Auburn and LSU had a rematch, Auburn would have monkey stomped LSU. Plain and simple.

Tiger Ree...I SWEAR if Brittany Spears was the HC at LSU, you’d be yapping on how everyone is a negatiger and just because her marriage to K-Fed failed doesn’t mean she won’t succeed here. Btw. The “water” hitting you on your head isn’t rain. It’s Joe Aleva’s PISS. He’s just telling you it’s rain and you’re thrilled to death about it.
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7029 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:27 pm to
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The kissing bandit had been a coach for two years. The second year was pretty horrible.


His second year his team went 9-3. How in the world is Herman's 9-3 record horrible but o's 9-4 record is pretty damn good, according to you?

Hell, even with his 7-6 record at Texas last year, he's 29-10 overall.

That beats the hell out of o's overall record, even with the two years as an interim head coach.

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He lost to SMU who was a 23 point DOG.


It was bad loss for Herman against a 5-7 team. But they are in the same conference, so even though Houston had the better team, the talent gap isn't (or shouldn't be) as large as the talent gap between two teams from vastly different conferences, say like LSU and Troy.

That being said,o lost to Troy who was a 20 1/2 point DOG.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
40099 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:32 pm to
Fit
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:39 pm to
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Georgia had the luxury of a rematch. Had Auburn and LSU had a rematch, Auburn would have monkey stomped LSU. Plain and simple


at a neutral site?

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...I SWEAR if Brittany Spears was the HC at LSU, you’d be yapping on how everyone is a negatiger and just because her marriage to K-Fed


Yeah, that's totally beyond me. I have no idea what a K-fed is. I assume it is a guy and am really happy for both of them, I'm sure.

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The “water” hitting you on your head isn’t rain. It’s Joe Aleva’s PISS. He’s just telling you it’s rain and you’re thrilled to death about it.


Unlike you if someone was pissing on my head they would have a serious headache for a very long time. You may lay down and get abused but I don't play that shite. You must have been associated with Jerry Sandusky in your early life and just took it without saying anything. It wouldn't have ended very well if he screwed me like he did you.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
15714 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:40 pm to
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Except Smart did it from Year 1 to year 2 of being a head coach. That is a verifiable result, and proven "change" over an extremely short period of time. Understand. Learn. Iterate. He's proven he knows how to do it. This will be O's 5th season as a head coach, 8th as a coach of some kind, and he's never made that kind of improvement.

I absolutely give Kirby his due for the job he's done at GA from year 1 to 2, but isn't 2018 O's year 2. If we are using Kirby's success as a standard then this year is the "show me" season.

Do I think he can duplicate what Kirby did in year 2? Nope, but he better show improvement.

If Alleva really is on the way out, the heat just got turned up on the coach's seat.
Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4478 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 1:42 pm to
Had LSU played an SEC east schedule we would have been 11 and 2 not 9 and 4. Georgia was loaded. They were also ready to crucify Kirby after year one. I know because I lived there for 20 years. LSU had nothing on the line of scrimmage. We went into one game with only 4 defensive lineman. We lost to Florida in 2016 because we only had one SEC inside linebacker on our roster and he got hurt. (We also had a star running back go the wrong way and we had a star DB get beat twice by the same guy for 80 yard TDs but I digress.) Our rankings in recruiting services were driven by skill position playerrs that did not produce. Granted we had a limited QB. Georgia had two 5 star QBs on the roster not recruited by Smart.

At the end of the day if Fournette does not get hurt in August of 2016 Miles is probably still the coach. Oregon has been a very big upgrade in professionalism and modernizing the program up to at least parity with Alabama and Georgia in the analyst dept. We can now get a game plan on Sunday night or Monday morning not Wednesday. We also scout ourselves and have video breakdowns of our tendencies ad]nd subtleties that tip off plays to our opponents. The Bama players would tell my son who attends BAma that they knew every play we were running. We might now have a QB who can throw an intermediate pass. So Bama will have to do something other than 3 deep safeties with man underneath. Whatever... We have a very tough schedule. Not unlike 2011. Can our team respond. I think so. Average QB play gets us to the edge of 9 wins. Above average to good QB play gets us to 10 wins. But you should keep being very negative because it serves U and the rest of us so well.
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