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re: An attempted unbiased analysis of Kirby Smart & Ed Orgeron in their first 2 years

Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:06 pm to
Uuuuuuum

He went 9-3 in his second year

Isn’t that a good record by O standards?

Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:06 pm to
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The kissing-bandit had been a coach for two years. The second year was pretty horrible. He lost to SMU who was a 23 point DOG.
O was horrible at Ole Miss but he learned according to you? Herman had one bad season yet he can't learn from it?

plus at Texas He improved his teams record, won the bowl game and also had a number three class ranking all the while beefing up his lines.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:11 pm to
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Next season is gong to really sting.......and you'll look even more foolish.


How's that? You think the defense will be bad?

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The hire is regarded as a monumental failure by the entire country. To try and say it made sense makes you look truly fricking stupid


No, it makes me look like an LSU fan who thinks the D and O lines will be the best in years. If you pull for another team and are happy to go with another opinion, good luck to you. Rashard Lawrence, Greedy Williams, Devon White and Breiden Fehoko say you are wrong.

Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38013 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:17 pm to
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Ya, I think we can all agree that what Kirby and Dabo have done is not normal for a program.


I don't think they are the exception at all, they are the representation of Good Coaching. And coaching is a better differentiator over players. This is why you SHOULD go out a find a good coach. Any team in the Top 25, with Top 25 talent, and resources can win the National Championship honestly. The biggest difference in all of those programs is coaching, that's the hardest and rarest thing to control for. This is why you do a coaching search. This is why results matter. This is why history matters.

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Kirby took over a good program and finished what Richt couldn't. Now he's challenging Saban.



Yeah that's a good coach. We should hire one. Sadly, LSU hired someone who will never be a good coach, and never compete for championships. He just isn't that type of coach.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
164977 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:18 pm to
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The Eaux hatred causes people to say really stupid shite sometimes.

It's not about hating O

Bottom line is he did not have what you would consider a suitable resume to take the job that Alleva was dumb enough to give to him
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69779 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:21 pm to
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O has had restraining orders against him by women for violence.






the hypocrisy from some of these posters is gold
Posted by TigerCliff777
Member since Feb 2013
4675 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:21 pm to
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2016 was interim




I think most folk would agree that 2018 is the 2nd season for CEO as Head Football Coach
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:24 pm to
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This is why results matter. This is why history matters.


you do realize that the Georgia coach had never been a head coach before? History?
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Yeah that's a good coach. We should hire one


A guy who had never coached a game before in his life.

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Sadly, LSU hired someone who will never be a good coach, and never compete for championships. He just isn't that type of coach.


Based on your other opinion pieces I can go with this. It is apparent you have no freaking idea what you are talking about. I feel much better now about Eaux being the LSU head coach. Thanks !!!!
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:25 pm to
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you do realize that the Georgia coach had never been a head coach before? History?


He'd been a coordinator. Had O?
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:27 pm to
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Bottom line is he did not have what you would consider a suitable resume to take the job that Alleva was dumb enough to give to him


You do realize that he took over after the 4th game of the season in 2016. The game after the LSU players were celebrating a win that didn't happen, AGAIN?

A suitable resume wouldn't be going 6-2 at LSU with one loss being to the SEC West and multiple national champion Bama team?

What would be suitable if that isn't? A national championship?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75424 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:28 pm to
I actually think the defense will be very good.

I am Very concerned about the OLine getting abused in the spring game. Just losing battles.

If the offense can’t score points it’s going to be a long season because we don’t have an elite RB to use as a crutch.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69779 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:29 pm to
I think the reason Kirby would be much more valuable because he has been a successful coordinator and worked with Saban for years. Kirby knows how to run an entire unit on one side of the ball

O has never been a coordinator handling an entire defense plus we still have his track record at Ole Miss, and that itself was a disaster. If this was O's first time as a head coach it would be much different but because of his failures in his past, he won't get that leash
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:32 pm to
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the hypocrisy from some of these posters is gold


Yeah, forcing young boys to have sex by a grown man is a lot better than having a restraining order by one woman that was cancelled by the court that issued it is so much better.

Have sex with multiple 10 year old boys on campus facilities or have a bogus restraining order issued by a girlfriend that was of age. I'm going with the girlfriend, that was just horrible.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:35 pm to
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forcing young boys to have sex by a grown man i
so you know for a fact schiano knew and was involved in this?
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Have sex with multiple 10 year old boys on campus facilities
schiano did this?
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bogus restraining order issued by a girlfriend that was of age. I'm going with the girlfriend, that was just horrible.
so it's the horrible girlfriends fault? What about O's known being a drunk at the time and beating up someone in the bar? Im sure your god did no wrong.
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:36 pm to
You are so delusional.
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:38 pm to
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a bogus restraining order



O ripped off his shirt and challenged his entire Ole Miss team to fight. But I’m sure it was all the crazy girlfriend’s fault.

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But a dark side emerged while Orgeron worked in South Florida. He'd been in trouble before—a battery charge from a bar fight in Natchitoches in 1984—and he would find it again. In 1991, a Dade County woman was granted a restraining order against Orgeron after accusing him of repeated violence. (A permanent injunction was granted and then rescinded in 1992.) Then, in July 1992, Orgeron was arrested in Baton Rouge and charged with battery, failure to leave the premises and misrepresentation during booking. According to news accounts from the time, a drunk Orgeron head-butted the manager of a bar after Orgeron had been asked to leave. Years later, Orgeron would later tell the Orange County Register that he'd become angry after he wasn't allowed back in the bar to retrieve his credit card.


LINK

Here’s the link so you can read about how violent your boyfriend is.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69779 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:40 pm to
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have a bogus restraining order issued by a girlfriend that was of age. I'm going with the girlfriend, that was just horrible.


you know this how?

Frickn delusional

has O ever done wrong?


Maybe it was because he was another typical drunk who was violent with people? he has been in numerous altercations over the years, but no, it was all the girlfriends fault

This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 12:44 pm
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
25455 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:43 pm to
This thread has gotten out of control
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38013 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:52 pm to
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you do realize that the Georgia coach had never been a head coach before? History?


Did I say head coach. That one is certainly desired but debatable given other proven results, of which, Kirby has plenty.

This is not, and never has been, black and white. Nearly every part of O's resume is bad outside of his recruiting expertise.

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A guy who had never coached a game before in his life.


But you'd rather the guy who has a net negative in his coaching results?

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Based on your other opinion pieces I can go with this. It is apparent you have no freaking idea what you are talking about. I feel much better now about Eaux being the LSU head coach. Thanks !!!!




Ah yes, your usual retort of "You don't know anything but I do!" Quite hypocritical. At least I admit I can be wrong, and I want to be wrong. I don't think I am, but I would love to be. Sadly, you think your opinion is valid certified, and correct. That's the wrong perspective. Again, you seem to have no perspective on how to judge talent (and perspective is certainly position agnostic. It is very possible to see and understand talent without direct access.)
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:53 pm to
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so you know for a fact schiano knew and was involved in this?
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schiano did this?


Jesus Christ dude. Your hatred of Eaux has you questioning anything involved with the Jerry Sandusky situation? Did you not see the post of the cross examination of a witness?

You are a sick frick !@!!!

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O's known being a drunk at the time and beating up someone in the bar?


Not everyone is from Pussyville like you. When I was 15 I got hit in the head by a beer bottle. The SOB that did it is now my brother-in-law. I know he will protect my sister and is not a freaking wimp. When did the world turn into a bunch of Tom Hermans? I'd rather punch a grown man than kiss him. If you feel different then the masculinity thing going on at Texas right now should be right up your alley.

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Im sure your god did no wrong.


Fighting in a bar had NEVER happened before. The only question I would have is if he won the barfight.
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