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re: Alleva has denied Wade a golden opportunity
Posted on 3/25/19 at 4:56 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Posted on 3/25/19 at 4:56 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
quote:
"In a timely manner"
That does not mean as soon as possible.
Of course, it does. Your definition then would mean, whenever it is convenient or when the season is over, etc? In this context, it means as soon as you are aware of possible violations (not at the end of the tournament because we need our coach).
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 4:59 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:
Wade refuses to meet with his BOSS
If your “Boss” makes less money than you, he’s not your Boss.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 4:59 pm to TigerNAtux
I can see the implication but at no
point does Wade say “I asked to bring my attorneys and was told no” nor does LSU’s lawyers say he was told to come alone.
Either that wasn’t a good enough excuse so Wade went with the subpoena explanation or it never happened.
point does Wade say “I asked to bring my attorneys and was told no” nor does LSU’s lawyers say he was told to come alone.
Either that wasn’t a good enough excuse so Wade went with the subpoena explanation or it never happened.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 5:05 pm to Jb1994
Guy is so guilty but we continue to bring him up overshadowing the kids sad
Posted on 3/25/19 at 5:05 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:Somebody ain't heard of pimpin'.
If your “Boss” makes less money than you, he’s not your Boss.
Disclaimer: In no way do I mean to imply that pimps are as bad as the NCAA.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 5:12 pm to Irish LSU Fan
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That's because LSU is REQUIRED to contact the NCAA if they are aware of potential violations
Wrong again! They are only required to contact the NCAA when proof is found that infractions have occurred not just because someone has been accused. There has been no investigation so at this time there is no proof of infraction. The NCAA has the right to open an investigation themselves
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 3/25/19 at 5:28 pm to Hamma1122
quote:
Guy is so guilty but we continue to bring him up overshadowing the kids sad
What's he guilty of?
And....... the ("kids? lol") young men on the basketball team are just fine.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 8:48 pm to LSUNV
quote:
They are only required to contact the NCAA when proof is found that infractions have occurred not just because someone has been accused.
LINK
From the NCAA website......
Effective Feb. 1, 2019
Responsibility to Cooperate
• School presidents and athletics
staff must commit contractually
to full cooperation in the
infractions process.
• Immediate penalties (including
loss of revenue or postseason)
may be prescribed when schools
or individuals do not cooperate.
From the NCAA rule book......
Reporting Institutional Findings to the Enforcement Staff.
If the institution determines that Level I, Level II or major violations might have
occurred, report the findings to the enforcement staff as soon as reasonably
possible. Provide notice to the enforcement staff member who was assigned
before starting the investigation. The enforcement staff will review the self-report
and follow up with the institution to discuss any questions and next steps. If the
institution believes the violations are Level III or secondary in nature, the
violations may be reported through the requests self-reports online (RSRO)
system.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 8:51 pm to Irish LSU Fan
So all those words don't apply to Duke, Kansas, Arizona, etc?
Posted on 3/25/19 at 8:59 pm to LSU316
quote:
So all those words don't apply to Duke, Kansas, Arizona, etc?
You should ask Mark Emmert about that. It's probably a bad defensive strategy to resort to the "but they were doing it too" excuse. We (as LSU fans) need to focus on the integrity of our program because pointing fingers at others usually doe not work well. The only thing we (may) have some control over is our own program. We need a new AD & president to get our athletic department and university back on the "high road." I'm sick and tired of these "mafia types" doing business in dark "smoke-filled rooms." This is not the university I love.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:13 pm to Irish LSU Fan
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We (as LSU fans) need to focus on the integrity of our program because pointing fingers at others usually doe not work well.
If that's the stance you take then you have to accept that basketball will always be middle to back of the pack and will infrequently make the tournament with a run in it coming once in a generation basically.
Also, are you applying this self righteousness to football too....if so going to set that thing back too....or are you OK with that since it is out of sight out if mind to this point?
quote:
We need a new AD & president
That I wholeheartedly agree with.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:21 pm to LSU316
quote:
If that's the stance you take then you have to accept that basketball will always be middle to back of the pack and will infrequently make the tournament with a run in it coming once in a generation basically.
All I can do is insist that our coaches have integrity. All I can do is insist the NCAA enforce with integrity.
quote:
are you OK with that since it is out of sight out if mind to this point?
I refuse to accept cheating as "status quo" because others may be cheating (in all sports). A change will come if enough of "us" refuse to accept the "normalization of cheating." A change will never come if we accept, condone & participate in this type of behavior.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:59 pm to Bigsampson
quote:
Bigsampson
quote:
If you were asked to go meet your boss
This is where the real world starts
When the boss ask you to meet him in his office, then you go and meet him.
If you don't then you then are defying his authority and are eligible for termination.
In this particular situation with an FBI wiretap and a federal trial looming the whole scenario changes and more thought should have been taken.
The apparent first impression is the administration took a stance to protect LSU from NCAA sanctions and "loss of institutional control".
Personally if I were the AD, I would have walked to Will Wade's office and closed the door and worked out a plan to find the best possible path without asking questions that put LSU in the path and involvement in a federal investigation.
A lot of smart people did a lot of stupid things here and when all is said and done the AD is responsible for the outcome of any investigation and if things go south the first to go will be Will Wade and then Alleva.
Right now no one knows where this goes so lets sit tight and watch the federal trial and the process.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:21 pm to LCTFAN
quote:
Personally if I were the AD, I would have walked to Will Wade's office and closed the door and worked out a plan to find the best possible path without asking questions that put LSU in the path and involvement in a federal investigation.
LSU was obligated to allow the NCAA to be present in the meeting (this is stated in the NCAA rules). LSU and the NCAA don't have to worry about the federal investigation since what WW is accused of is not a crime (no broken laws - only broken NCAA rules). So, no need to worry about possible litigation.
quote:
if things go south the first to go will be Will Wade and then Alleva.
Doubtful this affects JA if the WW situation goes south. BB is not that big of a deal.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:24 pm to Irish LSU Fan
You keep saying LSU is required when they are not. There must be more than an accusation which there isn’t
quote:
Reporting Institutional Findings to the Enforcement Staff
You basically just posted exactly what I was telling you in the first place. Findings means investigation which none has happened yet. Until then they are not obligated to contact the NCAA. To make matters worse they cleared Smart to play which gives them less leverage with NCAA
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:33 pm to LSUNV
quote:
Findings means investigation which none has happened yet. Until then they are not obligated to contact the NCAA
"might have occurred" The institution is not required to conduct an investigation which ends with a conclusion. If LSU determines the Yahoo report is serious enough to think a violation "might have occurred" (especially since WW refused to address the issue), then LSU self reports to the NCAA. The NCAA is so serious about this issue they now have ways for the institution to "self-report" violations online. The NCAA is clear in the rules manual they (NCAA) want to be the investigatory body.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:39 pm to Irish LSU Fan
You are reading too much into the words “might have occurred”. That does not mean what you think it means. The NCAA will be alerted after an internal probe is started which has not happened yet. You can argue until you are blue in the face but our admin jumped the gun all there is to it
I am not arguing guilt or innocence, just the fact this was mishandled
I am not arguing guilt or innocence, just the fact this was mishandled
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:49 pm to Carville
Who said a paper trail is required?
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:03 pm to LSUNV
quote:
The NCAA will be alerted after an internal probe is started which has not happened yet.
Hard to perform an investigation when the principal refuses to meet. Pretending to investigate while allowing WW to coach was not an option (especially after WW refused to meet with his employer).
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:09 pm to Irish LSU Fan
quote:
f the institution determines that Level I, Level II or major violations might have
occurred, report the findings to the enforcement staff as soon as reasonably
possible
That's precisely why they should've met with WW before getting the NCAA involved. Doesn't it make sense for them to conduct their own investigation before escalating to the NCAA?
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 11:10 pm
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