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re: All of our "talent" at WR

Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:10 pm to
Posted by Mikeno
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:10 pm to
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I love people like this. It's the same people who would comment on PP7 getting burnt on a play but defend Rahem Alem (walking liability).




B I N G O
Posted by overthehilltiger
Ascension Parish
Member since Feb 2006
44 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:14 pm to
If you are a wide receiver in this offense and when the play is called, you are not the primary receiver, you can't possibly bring yourself to going all out on the play. And if you are the primary receiver, you know there is a 60% chance the ball will not even get close to you.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22669 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:26 pm to
You can go ahead and read the above post as well.

I never once mentioned drops.

My point was more that the wrs have not looked outstanding, and at the beginning of the season I thought they would be. It's not like JJ has not completed a pass all year. There hasn't been much YAC this yr. And I know the automatic rebuttal is JJ sucks, but I think if you can get past that he sucks you can realize that other players may have work to do as well.

I'm not making excuses. This has to do with how good I thought the receivers were before we played a game and how I think they have performed thus far.
Posted by ellis1975
Atlanta
Member since Apr 2007
1058 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:33 pm to
I think that TT should get more balls thrown up for grabs where his height will be an advantage. RR is usually money and should be our possession WR. RS is fast and that is about all the credit he gets as far as being a WR. The kid is EXTREMELY athletic but I don't think he is a GREAT WR, mediocre at best. He can create space and in space he is VERY dangerous. I really don't think he has the hands to be a D1 caliber WR. RR and TT should be the main targets and RS should be used for screens and short range to medium passes, maybe a reverse here and there.

When I read that RS was JJ's favorite target, I knew it would be a looong season.

Posted by LSUGradATL
Warsawa/ATL
Member since Jul 2007
10497 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:34 pm to
Back in tha day when geaux.com was a different website, plenty of LSU fans said the WRs were to blame and not Booty. Then came Davey and suddenly the WRs learned to catch.

sounds like history repeating except Booty was better than JJ is
Posted by deSandman
Member since Mar 2007
969 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:57 pm to
How do you people not understand that no one is saying "but for the drops, Jordan Jefferson would be good"?

The point is that our offense would be better if we had elite WRs, and some people think we have elite WRs, but we don't.

We have a bad quarterback and one really good wr and a couple of ok ones.

Reggie Ball threw 20 TDs his senior year at Georgia Tech. Take away his TDs to Calvin Johnson and he only has 5.

We have Reggie Ball with no Calvin Johnson.

Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3930 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 6:16 pm to
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JJ takes a lot of heat and some deserved

But guys, this group isn't anything compared to the 2006 bunch or even the 2007 bunch for that matter. They're just not as good. 2008 group was arguably better as well....

RR looks like the only legit target that is both a consistent possession guy and a deep threat. Tolliver has shown flashes throughout his career but never really blew up like a lot of us expected.

RS just doesn't look comfortable yet. Maybe one day he'll get there but right now he's not even where S Green was in 03.

This group of WRs has potential but they're just not THAT good yet. It's possible they could develop into something special but I don't see why people are comparing them to the Bowe/Davis/Doucet group. They aren't even close.


You've got 2 top 10 overall recruits in Randle and Shepard and 2 top 2 WR recruits in Randle and Toliver (I think Ronald Johnson was ahead of Toliver in the '07 WR class). I think you could definitely make some comparisons between the '06 and '10 WRs given the obvious disparity at QB. Bowe/Toliver, Davis/Randle, Doucet/Shepard. I'm not suggesting that these guys are necessarily equivalent at this particular stage in their careers, but it's not a huge stretch.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22669 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 6:16 pm to
Thanks man I needed some help here
Posted by Paulu
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2006
4440 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 6:19 pm to
Guys are wide open but JJ looks at only the primary receiver. Serious lack of field vision. The antithesis of Drew Brees is what we have.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26263 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 6:24 pm to
How in the hell does anyone know how good our WR's are? Just not enough opportunities yet to know. Well the jury is in on TT (inconsistent) but to early to tell on the others until they have a chance to catch a few passes.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 6:29 pm to
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but what do i know?

Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22669 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 6:50 pm to
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Well the jury is in on TT (inconsistent)


Ok so that's 1/3 of the players mentioned...but your right how the hell does anybody know.
Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 6:52 pm to
THANKS JJ for coming on here and defending yourself AGAIN!
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22669 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 7:08 pm to
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THANKS JJ for coming on here and defending yourself AGAIN!


Ok moron I'm defending my point not the qb. I've made it so long not getting caught up in this rant bullshite and I actually see a topic posted that I want to discuss and am reminded by dumbasses like you of how stupid shite can get on here and why I stay away. I'm disappointed in myself.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
107496 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 7:14 pm to
Great points all around DMitch.

I just think with a QB who is not accurate its going to be tough for any of these receivers to do what they do best---run after catch.

Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 7:18 pm to
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why I stay away. I'm disappointed in myself.

Have a great day...CYA...
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288242 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 7:30 pm to
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Please read the entire thread for context before making a comment.



I read the whole thing.

It goes back to the old adage "which comes first, the chicken or the egg?"


You want to pin it on both, but it just simply isn't both if you have watched LSU play the last 2 years.


Rank these in order, from what you think is the center of our passing game problem:


A) Jordan Jefferson
B)Playcalling
C)our WR's

just a simple 1-2-3 order from the biggest problem on down.

quote:

I know it makes you feel better to come on this site every day and say how bad you think the qb is regardless of what is being discussed but you really cant add any substance to the thread if you don't take the time to read all the comments posted above your own.


Well if thats the problem, then yeah.

Im not going to make up some phantom problem with our WR's just so I can generate talk.

On another note, it has taken most of LSU's good WRs at least 2 years to become elite. Most of them, 3 years.


Now you want to keep bringing up Randle being the #1 WR in the nation and Shepard being on of the best athletes in the nation coming out....

But you dont want to acknowledge that both were HS QB's their SR year in HS. Shepard WASNT even a WR at LSU last year. And Randle didnt play much until late in the year last year as a FR.



Toliver's hands have been questionable this year, but I dont blame him for being lulled to sleep by our passing game. He has been thrown more BAD balls than GOOD balls by Jefferson. It's atrocious, and probably going to cost him some money, because he has NFL measurables our the wazoo.


BOTTOM LINE : our WR's cannot look elite if they arent put in position to do so. You keep saying they havent showed anything.....Well, they havent had the opportunity to do ANYTHING. Throwing an 8 yard out route to the sideline isnt showcasing. Throwing a WR screen isnt showcasing. If the ball cannot get down the field, then even NFL WR's wouldnt look good.
This post was edited on 10/1/10 at 7:33 pm
Posted by 1369unluckyMF
Member since Sep 2010
79 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 7:34 pm to
Stars are based on potential. I don't think anyone would argue T. Toliver is not the number 1 or 2 wideout in the country. At this point in his career, I blame it on the player. Of course QB play is crappy. In any other year he would not be the lead dog. RR, DBowe, Buster, Clayton, Lafell, Reed. TT is not and will never be in that category.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34877 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 7:34 pm to
we need a token white receiver
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288242 posts
Posted on 10/1/10 at 7:37 pm to
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In any other year he would not be the lead dog. RR, DBowe, Buster, Clayton, Lafell, Reed. TT is not and will never be in that category.



He never will be, because he will have played his last 2 years with Jordan Jefferson throwing to him. The exact 2 years that is supposed to be his prime. He's waited his time to become LSU's #1 WR and he gets the worst LSU QB in 20 years throwing to him.
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