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re: After reading the story by Ross Dellenger - I feel better about Coach O than ever !
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:35 am to UpToPar
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:35 am to UpToPar
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So, exactly how many chances does he deserve?
This.
People are still saying "give him a chance" and "wait and see". Should nothing since October 2016 count in evaluating Orgeron at LSU? When is a fair time to start judging him? If our record doesn't improve this year, do we have to wait and see another year because the schedule was too tough and the next recruiting class will be loaded?
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:35 am to Pop
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Of course, but to constantly put down a man that is trying without giving him a real shot is absurd. Even if he turns out to be as terrible as you say, he still made it pretty big in the game of life.
I've already said multiple times that I'm in wait and see mode and that there are some reasons for optimism. But, the "can you do better" argument is ludicrous IMO. That's why I brought up the song, music and car reference.
No one is saying that they can be a better head coach than Orgeron. They are giving an opinion on past experience. The point is that he hasn't done anything up to this point that inspires confidence or shown that a great season is on the way. If anything, his past gives more reason to think regression is in store.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:39 am to UpToPar
None of those are good, but even almighty Saban was having those losses at LSU. Just give it some time and let it play out. He might turn out to be Hallman. He might not. I don't picture hiring a new coach that will come in and go undefeated and beat everybody by 50 from the get go. If he did, many on here would be bitching because it wasn't 55.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:39 am to geauxtigers87
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Coach O is a used car salesman
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:39 am to Pop
how much time should we give him?
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:43 am to Pop
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None of those are good, but even almighty Saban was having those losses at LSU. Just give it some time and let it play out.
The LSU program that Saban took over and the LSU program that Orgeron took over are vastly different.
I don't think Orgeron should have ever been considered for the job and certainly shouldnt have been hired for the job. I'm ready for this nightmare of an experiment to be over with, but I understand that it isnt practical to fire him at this very moment (thanks to Alleva's piss poor negotiating skills). But, I think he has been given ample opportunities to prove that he is a different coach than he was at Ole Miss and, thus far, has failed to do so. In my opinion, he has had his fair chance and has come up short. Absent a drastic turnaround, he should be fired as soon as it is reasonably prudent to do so, which will likely be after this season.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:44 am to 1999
Don't have a clear cut answer for that. What are your expectations for what he has to accomplish? Be better than Saban? Go undefeated every year? All that would be great, but it ain't likely gonna happen with whoever is coach.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:45 am to Pop
my expectations are 8-4 at best this season. so doing better than that is a reasonable start.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:46 am to UpToPar
The prevailing narrative around the CFB world is that O is the #1 guy on the hot seat in the SEC. That's not a difficult pick considering all of the underperforming coaches that were given the boot last year.
It's also been stated that by opting to jettison Canada and put Ensminger in charge of the offense, O has pushed all of his chips to the center of the table and that he will essentially rise or fall on that decision.
Regardless what anyone says 2018 is the make or break season. A successful campaign will allow them to effectively recruit the deep 2019 class and position the team to be a relevant contender for a NC. If LSU falters this season the 2019 class will disintegrate and O will be a dead man walking. You break it, you own it.
It's also been stated that by opting to jettison Canada and put Ensminger in charge of the offense, O has pushed all of his chips to the center of the table and that he will essentially rise or fall on that decision.
Regardless what anyone says 2018 is the make or break season. A successful campaign will allow them to effectively recruit the deep 2019 class and position the team to be a relevant contender for a NC. If LSU falters this season the 2019 class will disintegrate and O will be a dead man walking. You break it, you own it.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:47 am to BayouCowboy
i'm almost happy he pushed out canada. if ensminger fails it's all on O. and he will be fired. better than dragging this thing out for years.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:49 am to BayouCowboy
Well put. Just out of curiosity, what is the measuring stick for Ensminger?
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:50 am to 1999
The only problem is I don’t think he’ll be fired. Gotta remember the crew we have running things are cheap bastards that don’t care if we win or not, the only thing that’ll get him fired is if attendance falls big time.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:51 am to Madking
normally i'd agree but if he puts up a losing season (with the schedule it's entirely possible) him and alleva are toast. too much money on the line to let a lame duck hang around. jmo.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:51 am to Stephen1979
Ed has assembled a great staff? The only proven great coaches are Aranda and Raymond. Both holdovers
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:53 am to 1999
That makes perfect sense of course but Alexander is in charge. Alleva isn’t a good ad but he’s in with those guys and I just don’t have faith that it’s important to the people in charge. Don’t underestimate someone like Alexander’s ability to let things rot.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 11:54 am
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:53 am to BayouCowboy
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Regardless what anyone says 2018 is the make or break season. A successful campaign will allow them to effectively recruit the deep 2019 class and position the team to be a relevant contender for a NC. If LSU falters this season the 2019 class will disintegrate and O will be a dead man walking. You break it, you own it.
I think this is exactly right. A successful 2018 season is no easy task with the schedule we play though. I think 7-5 or worse and he is done.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:53 am to tigerfoot
And yet, the Notre Dame loss is squarely on their shoulders considering how it ended. They don't catch crap for that because that's not the narrative on here.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:54 am to Pop
The Notre Dame loss is 100% on Orgeron
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:55 am to Pop
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And yet, the Notre Dame loss is squarely on their shoulders considering how it ended.
Did you forget about the decision to kick the fg from the 6inch line?
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:55 am to Pop
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Well put. Just out of curiosity, what is the measuring stick for Ensminger?
Development of Brennan and/or Narcisse.
Passing efficiency and red zone efficiency.
3rd down efficiency and points.
I would assume it's the same as it would be for any OC.
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