re: After reading the story by Ross Dellenger - I feel better about Coach O than ever !

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This guy is an oversized 7 year old who throws temper tantrums, cry’s and breaks his toys when he doesn’t get his way. His behavior has trended this way since he was hired.

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You surely have examples of his temper tantrums since you said this. Want to name a couple of them?

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Orgeron has surrounded himself with "his guys" because there will be little to no push back on any of his ideas. They are just yes men

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This is a pretty stupid thought to have.

You think he has hired guys who suck at their jobs and as long as they agree with him they are hired?

AND not because one has coached in the pros and college and was the #2 ranked national recruiter for the 2017 class?

Not because one of them coached an O-line that gave up 12 sacks in his only year in the SEC? Or only gave up 8 sacks for an entire season with no seniors at USC? Coached a freshmen who was a 1st team all-American?

Who are the people that can't coach who were only hired to be the "yes-men"?

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This guy is an oversized 7 year old who throws temper tantrums, cry’s and breaks his toys when he doesn’t get his way. His behavior has trended this way since he was hired.



You surely have examples of his temper tantrums since you said this. Want to name a couple of them?

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Is he talking about Coach O? I thought he was talking about half the Rant.

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You think he has hired guys who suck at their jobs and as long as they agree with him they are hired?

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I never said they sucked. I don't think they were the most qualified for the job though. You can't seriously tell me you think Ensminger is the best possible OC we could have hired. There's no way any sane person believes that.

I think Orgeron would rather hire someone he is comfortable with over a more qualified "outsider."

Ironically, Alleva took the same route and is the reason we are in this shitty situation to begin with.

Damn right Goldrush! O is the head coach and the program is his now. His staff, his players, his training program, his practice routine, and his preparation methods. No one else getting in the way of coach's planning and playcalling preferences now. I can't wait to see the results!

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Saban's success is built around his meticulous attention to details, hence his support staff. He gets credit for requesting and using that resource. It's not a knock on him. It's smart business and Bama's willingness to provide those resources facilitates that success. Why don't you understand this?

I'm not saying this is the only reason he's successful. It's a piece of the puzzle.

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Right. Because Saban has a vision hires to that vision, and understands the details and nuances of the information that a shadow staff might provide. It's a piece of the puzzle, because the architect of that puzzle is Nick Saban. He is that good, and he knows that much about football, that he can hear 4 different analyses of the "Top Red Zone Offenses" in the country and understand how to either beat them, or be them.

Do you think Orgeron can do that? Does he seem like the type of guy to sit down and scheme around multiple infortmational reports and videos created by his staff?

I would assume Bama's shadow staff does two things:

1) Decreases the informational workload on Saban as he ages
2) Provides even more info for him to make decisions off of

Because he understands it, and knows how to work with it. Now, the other side of that is maybe Orgeron can hire coaches that CAN do those things, sure. O's history does lend any credence to the idea that he can benefit from a shadow staff, workload or not.

Replicating a shadow staff, just to replicate a shadow staff, won't move the needle at all.

He actually had me for a moment. I am starting to suspect ree. His coaching tree comment might have been a bit much lol.

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Right. Because Saban has a vision hires to that vision, and understands the details and nuances of the information that a shadow staff might provide. It's a piece of the puzzle, because the architect of that puzzle is Nick Saban. He is that good, and he knows that much about football, that he can hear 4 different analyses of the "Top Red Zone Offenses" in the country and understand how to either beat them, or be them. Do you think Orgeron can do that? Does he seem like the type of guy to sit down and scheme around multiple infortmational reports and videos created by his staff? I would assume Bama's shadow staff does two things: 1) Decreases the informational workload on Saban as he ages 2) Provides even more info for him to make decisions off of Because he understands it, and knows how to work with it. Now, the other side of that is maybe Orgeron can hire coaches that CAN do those things, sure. O's history does lend any credence to the idea that he can benefit from a shadow staff, workload or not. Replicating a shadow staff, just to replicate a shadow staff, won't move the needle at all.

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You may have missed my post on the next page after that:

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I have no issue with your statement. I think what he's doing is a positive move. That doesn't automatically translate into success and obviously the man driving the move doesn't have a good track record. How it turns out remains to be seen and as I've said before our problems lie further up than the HC position

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Saban was getting the same results without the shadow staff.

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Ding ding ding.

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Why people think a shadow staff is going to allow Orgeron to reap better results than he's gotten on his own, I have no idea.

It's like thinking you're going to be a better chef because you're cooking on a more expensive stove and you have fresher ingredients. You still either know how to cook or you don't. The support staff is only a tool for him to implement his own ideas. And he still has no unique ideas from what I can tell.

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It's funny actually. There's a large portion of our fanbase who think Orgeron is some diamond in the rough and just had some tough breaks. And with a shadow staff he can be maybe 1/4 as successful as Nick Saban. Even that sentiment is ludicrous.