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A Question for the TD Defensive Experts
Posted on 9/17/11 at 6:11 am
Posted on 9/17/11 at 6:11 am
It seems to me thinking back that most of MSU's offense that produced yards was throwing to the RB's coming out of the backfield. Is this something our SEC foes may p/u on and try to exploit? In our defense who is responsible for the RB? Is it a LB, and do we lack coverage skills in our LBers? Anybody else notice this or is it just me? Our secondary is absolutely sick!
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Posted on 9/17/11 at 6:21 am to Superfly1372
I haven't seen any replays, so this is just from live game time memory, but It appeared to me alot of Relf's completions were on plays we brought extra pressure, and didn't get to him.
The coverage downfield was usually pretty good and he dumped it off underneath. In that case, the RB wasn't being pressed in his coverage and had some space to make someone miss. I don't think the problem was as much in the coverage as it was not getting to Relf.
I don't know if we missed some gaps or the o-line just picked it up, but we definitely blitzed and couldn't get to him a few times.
Again, maybe I totally missed something, but that it what I remember thinking on a few of those "big plays".
I'll also add, if youre looking for something to exploit on LSU's defense, it will most certainly be the LB's.
The coverage downfield was usually pretty good and he dumped it off underneath. In that case, the RB wasn't being pressed in his coverage and had some space to make someone miss. I don't think the problem was as much in the coverage as it was not getting to Relf.
I don't know if we missed some gaps or the o-line just picked it up, but we definitely blitzed and couldn't get to him a few times.
Again, maybe I totally missed something, but that it what I remember thinking on a few of those "big plays".
I'll also add, if youre looking for something to exploit on LSU's defense, it will most certainly be the LB's.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 6:36 am to LSUfan4444
I've watched the replay twice. The 1st half there were missed assignments and a little confusion with the coverages. Also during that time LSU was rotating a lot of players in the front 7. I think everybody understands the LB unit is the weakest spot on the Defense, that doesn't mean they're bad it just means the DL and Secondary are better. Also, I don't remember seeing 1 pass thrown Tyrann's way. He was locked up on Bumphis for most of the night when he was in coverage. IMO, the defense will get better as the season goes along and I also think Hatcher and Minter will get better as they get more playing time.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 6:42 am to Superfly1372
This is how Florida beat us in 2003.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 6:46 am to GarmischTiger
After halftime chavis had Mathieu spy the rb coming ou of the backfield. Needless to say, that adjustment worked. They were burning us in the first half with that play when we blitzes, but great coaches make great adjustments.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 7:36 am to Superfly1372
1st half gave LSU trouble.
2nd half LSU adjusted and were in lockdown mode.
2nd half LSU adjusted and were in lockdown mode.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 8:39 am to Superfly1372
I agree. I spoke with my Dad at halftime and said the same thing that it looks like we cant cover the back coming out of the backfield and hoped we made adjustments at halftime. We did and didnt seem to be much of a problem from there on out. I know a lot of teams use their running backs as receivers from here on out so hopefully we will be ready. 
Posted on 9/17/11 at 9:32 am to windhammontanatigers
It looked to me like the little success that MSU had throwing to the back, was a reaction to our covering the Quarterback running up the middle. They had a couple QB runs up the middle in the first Quarter, and I think our linebackers started cheating to stop that and lost coverage on the RB. It seems at halftime, the coaches fixed this problem, probably by telling the D-line to keep their heads up and contain the QB, and reminding the LB's that they needed to stay on their assignments.
That being said, I am sure that some teams with great pass catching RB's will try and run more of these plays, if for no other reason than to avoid our monster pass rush.
That being said, I am sure that some teams with great pass catching RB's will try and run more of these plays, if for no other reason than to avoid our monster pass rush.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 9:38 am to Superfly1372
quote:Oxy-Moron.
TD Defensive Experts
Posted on 9/17/11 at 9:39 am to Superfly1372
quote:
A Question for the TD Defensive Experts
You will get the attention of 90% of this board with that kind of title.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 9:45 am to Superfly1372
I think what you might be overlooking is Chavis was willing to let Relf beat us. His scheme was very basic. He sent a message very early to Mullens and it was this. Your QB better pass the ball great all night because you won't get 100 yards on the ground. When that's your defensive game plan, there will be some pass plays made like the ones you are talking about. I would be willing to bet you see something along those lines when it comes to the Bama and Auburn games.
This post was edited on 9/17/11 at 9:46 am
Posted on 9/17/11 at 10:43 am to MsGulfCoastTigerFan
when you bring a ton of pressure from the outside, the middle of your defense becomes a problem because you obviously have limited the number of defenders and when you are about to get smacked you are probably looking in the middle of the field for help.....unless you recognize a one on one on the outside.
it really is the responsibility of a defender to drop once they recognize a screen. the pressure that gets through continue to pursue, but a backer or end usually drop after the initial pressure by the blitz.
it really is the responsibility of a defender to drop once they recognize a screen. the pressure that gets through continue to pursue, but a backer or end usually drop after the initial pressure by the blitz.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 10:50 am to easy money
Chavis adjusted to the lead draw with Reif by pinching the A gaps when they were in that obvious formation. As for the success with RBs in the routes, Mullen coached at Fla and knows that is how you attack LSU but he does not have enough talent to drive 70 yards. Tebow and company were a special group.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 10:53 am to LSUviaCincy
2 years in a row miss state pull relf and do worse.
by the way, if relf plays the entire game against auburn last year they probably would have won. no cam newton championship. that would have been huge.
by the way, if relf plays the entire game against auburn last year they probably would have won. no cam newton championship. that would have been huge.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 10:57 am to GarmischTiger
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This is how Florida beat us in 2003.
And they will definitely use it against us this year as well. Demps and Rainey have been catching a shite-ton of balls this year.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 11:00 am to easy money
quote:in 2010, hatcher gave relf a kiss right on the chin and relf walked away woozy. i think it was more injury than the hook, but dont have confirmation either way
2 years in a row miss state pull relf and do worse.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 11:06 am to ProjectP2294
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Demps and Rainey have been catching a shite-ton of balls this year.
Good Lord, those dudes are still there?
Posted on 9/17/11 at 11:13 am to Hot Carl
Went from a 3-3-5 to a 4-3-4 with another big guy in and limited the blitzes. Covered the gaps and let the LB's and SS read the play and flow to the ball. Most of the time they couldn't even get to the LB's before getting blown up.
We were getting out of gaps and losing people trying to bring pressure in the first half.
We were getting out of gaps and losing people trying to bring pressure in the first half.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 12:05 pm to matt314
Thanks for all the responses. There are definitely some informed TD Defensive expert responses in here. I agree with the 2nd poster that if you exploit a group it would be the LBers but that being said is it that our LB core is just average or is there talent overshadowed by how good the secondary and D Line is. I certainly think Baker has a chance of making an NFL roster. Are there any others? What say you?
Posted on 9/17/11 at 12:40 pm to Superfly1372
When you blitz, you play deep to shallow. The goal is to not give up a big play, maybe get a sack, but a dead duck would also be nice. You are basically giving up a smaller pass at the larger chance for a sack.
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