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re: A lot of people on here arguing the Ack vs. Jump choice by JJ
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:55 pm to Metaloctopus
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:55 pm to Metaloctopus
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Wow... He s"struggled" to put hitters away. I guess you would have pulled Hellmers after one inning because you didn't trust him after 4 years, right?
No, but I wouldn’t trot a guy who couldn’t locate his fastball for a strike back out for a 2nd inning of work.
Especially when he’s struggled with command all season.
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I guess you would have pulled Hellmers after one inning because you didn't trust him after 4 years, right?
Depends. Was my team in a position to give the ball to our #1 to get 3 outs and advance to supers?
If so, yes, I’d pull Hellmers.
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No, I did not. is that a requirement?
Nah captain hindsight.
Do your thing.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:00 pm to RB10
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No, but I wouldn’t trot a guy who couldn’t locate his fastball for a strike back out for a 2nd inning of work.
Especially when he’s struggled with command all season.
He sure located it enough, and had his slider working, didn't he? You thought Jump was going to be LESS of a risk on two days rest?
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Nah captain hindsight.
Do your thing.
Like I said in my previous post, which you are probably reading right now. Go check my post history about a similar situation, and call me "captain hindsight" again. I implore you, tough guy.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:01 pm to RB10
Best pitcher…when starting a game 0-0 with 9 innings to play. There is a much different level pressure when you have to enter a 1 run game in the bottom of the 9th with the game (in this case, the season) on the line. You have to be “on” right away. There’s no time to “feel things out.” Relievers are use to the urgency of that situation…even if they don’t always execute. Starters aren’t. It’s a different mindset.
I would have agreed with the move if it was the 7th inning. Or if Ack was laboring at the end of a long outing. Or you simply had no reliable pitchers left. But Ack was one of your guys you trusted in that situation all season. He had pitched well the inning before.
ANYONE else on the mound but Ack (assuming, obviously, Herring was a no-go) you make the move. But I trust the guy who has gotten me late outs before over a guy trying to fill a role you haven’t asked him to ever fill
I would have agreed with the move if it was the 7th inning. Or if Ack was laboring at the end of a long outing. Or you simply had no reliable pitchers left. But Ack was one of your guys you trusted in that situation all season. He had pitched well the inning before.
ANYONE else on the mound but Ack (assuming, obviously, Herring was a no-go) you make the move. But I trust the guy who has gotten me late outs before over a guy trying to fill a role you haven’t asked him to ever fill
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:03 pm to Metaloctopus
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Go check my post history about a similar situation, and call me "captain hindsight" again. I implore you, tough guy

Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:05 pm to RB10
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GAGE IS LSU’s BEST frickING PITCHER If I told all of you retards that LSU would get Gage the ball with a 1 run lead and 3 outs to win BEFORE the game you’d all be jizzing yourselves. Get the frick out of here with the hindsight bullshite.
Thank you!!! You sir nailed it….Bravo
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:07 pm to Alt26
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Best pitcher…when starting a game 0-0 with 9 innings to play. There is a much different level pressure when you have to enter a 1 run game in the bottom of the 9th with the game (in this case, the season) on the line
Jump has closed games before.
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I would have agreed with the move if it was the 7th inning. Or if Ack was laboring at the end of a long outing. Or you simply had no reliable pitchers left. But Ack was one of your guys you trusted in that situation all season. He had pitched well the inning before.
Ack has a 5.65ERA. A 1.41 WHIP. He has not been reliable this year, including yesterday against Wofford.
You’re talking about him like he’s some lock down reliever. He isn’t.
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ANYONE else on the mound but Ack (assuming, obviously, Herring was a no-go) you make the move. But I trust the guy who has gotten me late outs before over a guy trying to fill a role you haven’t asked him to ever fill

Ack has closed out 2 games this year.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:08 pm to Metaloctopus
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He sure located it enough
No, he didn’t. His slider was the only pitch he could locate.
The one fastball he threw for a strike was middle in on 3-2. Not a great pitch.
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You thought Jump was going to be LESS of a risk on two days rest?
I was the best available to get 3 outs. Ack is far from LsU’s best.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:16 pm to TigerMac81
In hindsight, Jump should have started. Hellmers is the only reason we nearly pulled it off. He was incredible for the time he was in. UNC guy Pence was good as well. A tough loss for sure.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:16 pm to TigerMac81
Pearson’s positioning T9 with the guy on second was baffling. You want to be able to get to a flare like that quickly and keep the runner at 3rd.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:20 pm to RB10
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No, he didn’t. His slider was the only pitch he could locate.
The one fastball he threw for a strike was middle in on 3-2. Not a great pitch.
Middle in is not an easy pitch to hit so long as it is in, If it were, then why didn't they tee off? But then, you're the same person who said he "struggled" after no one got on base or even put the ball in play against him.
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I was the best available to get 3 outs. Ack is far from LsU’s best.
Your best option in that situation is the guy who's getting outs. Jump on two days rest is not LSU's best option. He's AN option, and that's it. Jay has never ridden Hellmers like that, but stuck with him because he was pitching well, and there weren't many options. If Jump were the "best option", then why not start him? Why not bring him in, in the 8th, and not even go to Ack? He ended up leaving him in there for two innings, so if he was willing to do that, why did he wait til the 9th?
He overmanaged. Period. And you keep not responding to my request for you to look at my post history. Afraid of hindsight, are you?
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:24 pm to Metaloctopus
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Middle in is not an easy pitch to hit, If it weren't, why didn't they tee off? But then, you're the same person who said he "struggled" after no one got on base or even put the ball in play against him.
Because, like the rest of their hitters would have done, he was sitting off speed because Ack couldn’t locate his fastball.
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If Jump were the "best option", then why not start him? Why not bring him in, in the 8th, and not even go to Ack? He ended up leaving him in there for two innings, so if he was willing to do that, why did he wait til the 9th?
Because he wasn’t pitching Jump unless you have to. He said as much before the game.
3 outs to get with a 1 run lead is “have to” territory.
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He overmanaged. Period. And you keep not responding to me request for you to look at my post history? Afraid of hindsight, are you?
Why would I dig through your post history when you’re the one claiming you said it?
Go dig through that drivel yourself and post it.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:31 pm to RB10
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Because, like the rest of their hitters would have done, he was sitting off speed because Ack couldn’t locate his fastball.
Oh, so you know what the hitters were thinking, better than they did?... See how that works, smart guy? Some guys struggle middle in, so you pitch there on purpose. Oh, and the slider was nasty, but let's just focus on that fastball, right?
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Because he wasn’t pitching Jump unless you have to. He said as much before the game.
3 outs to get with a 1 run lead is “have to” territory.
This is your opinion, I gave my opinion that it is clearly not "have to". "have to" means you're out of options.
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Why would I dig through your post history when you’re the one claiming you said it?
Go dig through that drivel yourself and post it.
Because it's not a claim, it's there, and I'm not afraid of the truth. Are you? It's on you to do your research, since you CLAIM to know my character and what I would or would not say if it had worked out. We both know you are refusing to look it up, because you know you'll find it, and you don't want everyone to see you put egg on your face.
That's fine.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:33 pm to TigerMac81
I think he didn't want a lefty starter (Ack or Coleman) to face Honeycutt right off the bat. Since he knew Dutton was good for 1 inning max, and he has stared before, then why not put him in a specific scenario?
Of course it didn't work. But it doesn't make it a terrible decision. It wasn't like they hit 3 piss rockets against him.
And if JJ could have looked into the future and seen Hellmers dragging his nuts on UNC for 5 innings, he might have started him instead
Of course it didn't work. But it doesn't make it a terrible decision. It wasn't like they hit 3 piss rockets against him.
And if JJ could have looked into the future and seen Hellmers dragging his nuts on UNC for 5 innings, he might have started him instead
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:34 pm to Metaloctopus
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Because it's not a claim, it's there, and I'm not afraid of the truth. Are you? It's on you to do your research, since you CLAIM to know my character and what I would or would not say if it had worked out. We both know you are refusing to look it up, because you know you'll find, and you don't want everyone to see you put egg on your face.
Why is it on me to prove you right? That’s not how this works scooter. If you want to claim you said something, YOU can provide the proof.
I really don’t give a shite what you said, or claim to have said, 3 years ago.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:35 pm to RB10
What in the world is happening in here
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:36 pm to burdman
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What in the world is happening in here
Megaman KNEW bringing in Jump was a terrible decision.
It’s not hindsight. God damnit, he KNEW it.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:37 pm to RB10
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Why is it on me to prove you right? That’s not how this works scooter. If you want to claim you said something, YOU can provide the proof.
I really don’t give a shite was you said 3 years ago.
The burden of proof is always on the accuser? Or do you not know that?
You want me to show you proof of what I thought tonight before the situation happened, and I don't have that, because I wasn't online. But if you think I'm the kind of person who only say something if it doesn't work out, You can go look it up. But you won't, because you're a hypocrite.
Have a nice night.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:39 pm to Metaloctopus
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The burden of proof is always on the accuser? Or do you not know that?

We’re not in a fricking courtroom you chode.
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You want me to show you proof of what I thought tonight before the situation happened, and I don't have that, because I wasn't online. But if you think I'm the kind of person who only say something if it doesn't work out, You can go look it up. But you won't, because you're a hypocrite.
You’re correct. I won’t dig through hundreds of pages of your post history to try and find something you said 3 years ago.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:42 pm to Metaloctopus
1. I mean you say put Jump out there on three days rest to get 3 outs. I’m taking that all day over every guy we have on staff with the exception of MAYBE Holman and that’s a very debatable maybe.
2. Saying NC didn’t deserve to win is asinine. Bloop hits happen all the time in baseball as do errors. That’s why putting the ball in play matters especially with RISP. They did just that and it worked for them. Along with all of the great defensive plays they made in every game against us. All of that makes a difference in baseball. Annnnnd they out hit us. More hits, and less errors (in case you’re new) is typically a winning recipe.
3. Ahhhh so you don’t coach major D1 college ball because you don’t have the patience ?? . I'd find some patience if I were you! Might make you some more money coupled with your ability to reason and clearly superior logic. After all, thinking the game isn’t so hard eh?
2. Saying NC didn’t deserve to win is asinine. Bloop hits happen all the time in baseball as do errors. That’s why putting the ball in play matters especially with RISP. They did just that and it worked for them. Along with all of the great defensive plays they made in every game against us. All of that makes a difference in baseball. Annnnnd they out hit us. More hits, and less errors (in case you’re new) is typically a winning recipe.
3. Ahhhh so you don’t coach major D1 college ball because you don’t have the patience ?? . I'd find some patience if I were you! Might make you some more money coupled with your ability to reason and clearly superior logic. After all, thinking the game isn’t so hard eh?
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:47 pm to RB10
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We’re not in a fricking courtroom you chode.
The rules of the courtroom, just like all basic rules of law, come from moral laws that people have lived by since the beginning. If you want to say something about somebody, you better back it up. Otherwise, keep quiet and don't assume to know things about people.
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You’re correct. I won’t dig through hundreds of pages of your post history to try and find something you said 3 years ago.
I'm correct, you're afraid of being exposed. It's ok, friend. You know how to look through posts in the time period of may or June of 2021, since that's when regionals are. It wouldn't take long. If you cared to know what you're talking about, you'd do it. When people know that a poster is saying something hypocritical, they often go find evidence and post "receipts". It's quite common. Except that you don't actually know that about me, and can't be bothered to look it up. That's fine. Then why did you assume to know my character, in the first place? Why do you care about what I'm saying right now?
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