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re: A lot of people on here arguing the Ack vs. Jump choice by JJ
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:11 pm to AlextheBodacious
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:11 pm to AlextheBodacious
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Dude just threw 100 pitches and isn’t a reliever. Give me Guidry or leave Ack in there. Rode both of those guys last year no reason to use jump when the pen had that shite locked down since yesterday.
Every coach in the country does the same thing.
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:12 pm to TigerMac81
These games are always a cluster. Think of how much worse it could’ve been if WH hadn’t been such a dawg
Usually you have to go with 5-6 guys in these games and hope they all perform. Even harder when you’re a coach who likes to play matchups
I feel like we should’ve ridden Nate until he spit the bit, but that’s why I don’t make the big bucks
Usually you have to go with 5-6 guys in these games and hope they all perform. Even harder when you’re a coach who likes to play matchups
I feel like we should’ve ridden Nate until he spit the bit, but that’s why I don’t make the big bucks
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:12 pm to RB10
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GAGE IS LSU’s BEST frickING PITCHER
On 6 days rest, starting, yes he’s clearly one of our three best pitchers (Holman and Herring can argue the point). In a role he’s unaccustomed to, pitching on 2 days rest after throwing nearly 100 pitches, maybe he’s not. I’m not pissed Jay did it, or am I saying it was dumb, but acting like it was the obvious thing to do is silly.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:14 pm to TigerMac81
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But for me, the biggest questionable decision was starting Dutton.
The only 2 decisions I didn't agree with were:
Starting Dutton
Starting Neal (unless Milazzo has a legit injury)
If you were to have asked ANYBODY on this site how we'd feel about handing the ball to jump in the 9th, up 3-2, every damn one of us would have said hell fricking yes. They hit the ball when it mattered and made our one mistake hurt. We didn't hit or capitalize on their mistake.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:15 pm to RB10
I've seen how these "put our best pitcher in, in a situation he'd otherwise have no business being in, and hope it works out" decisions before. It usually doesn't go well. When a pitcher is dominating, you leave him alone. That's hot it works, unless actually have someone RESTED who you know you can count on. You're putting in a guy who you have no idea what he's going to have in that situation, and hoping for the best? If that goes wrong, you've burned Ack AND Jump, and then what? You've got Guidry available for an inning?
We tried this crap in the Oregon regional final with our ace on short rest, and he wasn't very good, but held on, and everyone acted like it was a genius move. Well we didn't have any margin for error this time, and you saw what happened.
I did NOT want him in the game until we had no choice. Period. So you can get out of here out of here with your holier than thou act. I said immediately when he went in the game that it was a bad decision, and was just hoping we wouldn't get burned.
We tried this crap in the Oregon regional final with our ace on short rest, and he wasn't very good, but held on, and everyone acted like it was a genius move. Well we didn't have any margin for error this time, and you saw what happened.
I did NOT want him in the game until we had no choice. Period. So you can get out of here out of here with your holier than thou act. I said immediately when he went in the game that it was a bad decision, and was just hoping we wouldn't get burned.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:16 pm to LSUgrad88
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I’m not pissed Jay did it, or am I saying it was dumb, but acting like it was the obvious thing to do is silly.
It’s so obvious that coaches across the country do it ALL THE TIME.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:17 pm to Metaloctopus
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When a pitcher is dominating, you leave him alone.
Who was dominating? Ack walking a guy and sneaking out of an inning where he struggled to throw strikes isn’t dominating.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:18 pm to RB10
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Get the frick out of here with the hindsight bullshite.
You think knowing what happens JJ makes the same decision?
Because that's kinda why hindsight is important.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:18 pm to Metaloctopus
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I did NOT want him in the game until we had no choice. Period. So you can get out of here out of here with your holier than thou act. I said immediately when he went in the game that it was a bad decision, and was just hoping we wouldn't get burned.
Well you clearly know more ball than coaches around the country.
Why are you watching from your couch?
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:19 pm to udtiger
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Because that's kinda why hindsight is important.
Hindsight is only important to bitch about things that don’t workout.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:21 pm to RB10
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Who was dominating? Ack walking a guy and sneaking out of an inning where he struggled to throw strikes isn’t dominating.
Hellmers walked the first batter, and Ack came in and struck out the side. He didn't walk anyone.
Try watching the game, if you're going to run your mouth at people.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:22 pm to RB10
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Who was dominating? Ack walking a guy and sneaking out of an inning where he struggled to throw strikes isn’t dominating.
Uh, rewatch the 8th bud
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:24 pm to RB10
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Well you clearly know more ball than coaches around the country.
Why are you watching from your couch?
This is a tired, weak, intellectually lazy response. Coaches do dumb things all the time. That's why people get fired.
Coaches make these kinds of decisions, and it often backfired. You think that makes it right, that they keep making bad decisions? These decisions, though. are often made out of desperation. Where was the desperation to take out a guy who just struck out the side?
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:27 pm to TigerMac81
1. Jump has been your guy all year. You live and die with him on the mound. People saying we should’ve kept Ack in fail to remember he couldn’t get out of the first inning yesterday. Bottom of the 9th game on the line… who do you want on the mound?
2. After everything. (Browns error, blown lead, etc.) No one… and I mean no one is mentioning the fact that we scored 3 fricking runs against a depleted pitching staff.
3. NC played phenomenal defensively and simply deserved to win the game.
We’ll put JJs decisions under a microscope like we always do. But that’s just a small but very vocal group who are truly dumb enough to believe they can do a better job than he can.
2. After everything. (Browns error, blown lead, etc.) No one… and I mean no one is mentioning the fact that we scored 3 fricking runs against a depleted pitching staff.
3. NC played phenomenal defensively and simply deserved to win the game.
We’ll put JJs decisions under a microscope like we always do. But that’s just a small but very vocal group who are truly dumb enough to believe they can do a better job than he can.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:27 pm to Metaloctopus
I hate pulling a pitcher when he is doing good. I would have let Ack pitch until a hit or walk in the ninth.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:28 pm to Metaloctopus
You were right. Ack didn’t walk the guy.
He did struggle to put the last 2 batters away, getting to full counts on both because his fastball command was non-existent. He’s also struggled with command all season.
You wouldn’t be here saying shite if Jump had gotten those last 3 outs, but he didn’t. The only thing that’s lazy is using hindsight to say a decision was right or wrong.
If you just KNEW it was such a bad decision I’m sure you posted it somewhere during the top of the 9th before jump gave up the lead, right?
He did struggle to put the last 2 batters away, getting to full counts on both because his fastball command was non-existent. He’s also struggled with command all season.
You wouldn’t be here saying shite if Jump had gotten those last 3 outs, but he didn’t. The only thing that’s lazy is using hindsight to say a decision was right or wrong.
If you just KNEW it was such a bad decision I’m sure you posted it somewhere during the top of the 9th before jump gave up the lead, right?
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:31 pm to UpToPar
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And if Gahller puts one off the scoreboard then everyone is bitching that we didn’t go to our ace with 3 outs to get.
Pretty sure it would be easy to justify the decision by saying JJ stuck with Ack because he just stuck out the side.
It’s all hindsight but damn man, it’s very difficult for me to justify pulling a guy that just struck out every batter he faced.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:35 pm to TigerMac81
Pulling Ack after how he pitched in the 8th was a brain dead decision
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:38 pm to TheGeauxt18
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1. Jump has been your guy all year. You live and die with him on the mound. People saying we should’ve kept Ack in fail to remember he couldn’t get out of the first inning yesterday. Bottom of the 9th game on the line… who do you want on the mound?
And, respectfully, you fail to acknowledge that pitching a guy on two days rest after over 100 pitches does not give you anywhere near the best version of said pitcher. You also fail to Acknowledge that Ack is a guy who gets hot, and when he does, he can ride it out like he did in Omaha last year, and how he looked in the SEC tournament final. And he looked great in the 8th.
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2. After everything. (Browns error, blown lead, etc.) No one… and I mean no one is mentioning the fact that we scored 3 fricking runs against a depleted pitching staff.
Here, you either aren't being honest, or this is the only thread you've read today. People, myself included, have talked about literally all of those things. This thread is about one particular thing. Hence why we are talking about only that in here.
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3. NC played phenomenal defensively and simply deserved to win the game.
They didn't deserve to win the game. They tied the game on a bloop, which included mind boggling defensive positioning, and then took the lead courtesy of a drop that would have ended the inning. All of this after they had far more trusted guys left to pitch than we did, and couldn't do anything until we gave it away.
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We’ll put JJs decisions under a microscope like we always do. But that’s just a small but very vocal group who are truly dumb enough to believe they can do a better job than he can.
Questioning decisions is not the same as saying we could run an entire program. People ask me "why don't you coach then?". Because I don't have the patience to deal with all of the outside stuff. That doesn't mean I can't use my brain and ability to reason, and come to a different conclusion than the head coach. Baseball is not football. Playing the game is hard. Running a program is hard. Thinking the game is not.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:52 pm to RB10
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You were right. Ack didn’t walk the guy.
He did struggle to put the last 2 batters away, getting to full counts on both because his fastball command was non-existent. He’s also struggled with command all season.
Wow... He s"struggled" to put hitters away. I guess you would have pulled Hellmers after one inning because you didn't trust him after 4 years, right?
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You wouldn’t be here saying shite if Jump had gotten those last 3 outs, but he didn’t. The only thing that’s lazy is using hindsight to say a decision was right or wrong.
Another lazy argument. Judging someone's character. who you don't know, simply because you disagree with them, is not an argument. If Jump had gotten all of those outs, this is what I would have said: "I didn't like the decision to pull Ack, but I'm glad it at least worked out". I have no problem saying I disagree with something, even if it doesn't cost us. I already referenced what I thought about LSU doing the same with Marceaux a few years ago. You want to look through my post history on what I had to say about that, even after we won that game? Please, be my guest.
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If you just KNEW it was such a bad decision I’m sure you posted it somewhere during the top of the 9th before jump gave up the lead, right?
No, I did not. is that a requirement? I was watching the game, not posting. Again, look up my posts from around this time 3 years ago, and see if I was saying "wow, what a brilliant move!".
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