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re: 9 months later...how ridiculous was the BCS NC selection?

Posted on 10/18/12 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by LSUFrosty
Member since Jan 2012
1861 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 12:59 pm to
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You would have thought before the NCG that many LSU fans had already conceded a loss from the whining going on.


I knew we would lose. I didn't think it would be as bad as it was, but we had nothing going for us in a rematch. Just as I worried, Bama came to play and LSU faltered.

Even if we had won decisively, we still wouldn't have gained anything as the "they already beat that team" people would come out of the woodwork crying foul.

Lose/lose. Thanks ESPN.
Posted by TigerBlieux
Member since Sep 2012
112 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:00 pm to
They won't be handing out titles that night, but they will be handing out W's and L's. The W spells redemption to me.
Posted by LSUFrosty
Member since Jan 2012
1861 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:08 pm to
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After 1/9, everyone outside of Louisiana knows the BCS got it right....


Alabama would have whooped the pants off of UF in 2008 if they got a second chance in the NCG. I guess the BCS got it wrong that year.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 1:08 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:10 pm to
Oh yea, a consolation win instead of a national championship. Yes, winning in 2 weeks will definitely make up for that.

You should post less.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83158 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:13 pm to
I agree that Bama deserved the mulligan and the BCS title.

Of course I also preach to everyone who'll listen that Michigan won the NC in 2006 bc they passed the eyeball test and wouldve beaten Ohio State in the rematch it so richly deserved for losing by 3 to OSU and finishing second in its conference.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83158 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:19 pm to
Really, strong arguments can be made on both sides. Most would agree Bama was the best team and had a "better" loss. For many folks these reasons trumpet all others.

I happen to side with the argument that the rematch cheapened the regular season and devalued the first game, that Okie had a better schedule, and winning the conference should also mean something. I also think had it been Texas or OK, Bama would've been left out.

But neither side is ridiculous.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20158 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:20 pm to
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It isn't going to matter what system is used, someone will have issues with it.


Roger, we're probably in agreement for the most part. But my thought is the fact that there will always be some taking issue with whatever system is not the same as saying all systems are equal.

Since it is not logistically doable to have it all settled on the field, i.e., round robin for 100+ teams in a single year, then we will all have to settle for an alternative that includes some element of subjectivity.

So the goal of the season and system should be to demonstrate the best team on the field to the exclusion of the most other teams. There are viable approaches out there better than what we currently have.

I don't think the two "best" teams should necessarily play in the CG if one of those teams has already demonstrated (think 9-6) its superiority previously. Rather, it should have been asked "who hasn't been beaten on the field?"

I suspect that most of those who immediately claim the Bama was better than Okie State such as to exclude Okie State from the BCSCG also thought Bama was better than Utah in '08.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:21 pm to
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That is comparing apples to oranges. Bama and LSU didn't play in the last week of the regular season. Alabama had a month worth of games to prove they deserved it. Michigan lost their last game of the regular season.



Uh, no, now you're just making stuff up. Alabama played 3 games after losing to LSU.

24-7 over Mississippi State, 42-14 over an awful Auburn team, and 45-21 over GEORGIA SOUTHERN who ran for 300 yards on them.

Alabama didn't do anything after their loss to prove they deserved a shot in the BCSCG, but OSU did DEMOLISH a top 10 Oklahoma by five touchdowns after their loss.

Bama got the shot because the media didn't want to accept what happened on the field and the scoreboard on 11/5 and admit they were wrong about who was going to win the GAME OF THE CENTURY, ESPNs words, not mine.

And the SEC had only had 1 champion in the past 7 years before UF got in in 2006. Big 10 was not a joke in 2006. Hell, Wisconsin was 12-1 in addition to OSU and Michigan being 1 & 2 and BEAT Arkansas in their bowl game.

You're rewriting history given the SEC's dominance AFTER UF was picked. Most people absolutely thought OSU and UM were the 2 best teams, but didn't think a rematch was fair and thought UF deserved a chance bc UM already had theirs. And they were right.


And don't even start with LSU in 2007. Who else do you put in?? We lost two games in 3OT and crushed the #3 team in the BCS by 40. We also beat the Heisman Trophy winner that year, can't remember who he played for???

I'm not seriously talking about putting an asterisk by UF's title. The BCS got it right that year, for sure. But it did NOT in 2011, and Bama winning the game doesn't make the matchup any more correct than it was on 1/8.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38261 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:22 pm to
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I happen to side with the argument that the rematch cheapened the regular season and devalued the first game


Huge point right there. So many media pundits and ESPN themselves will trumpet from the rooftops that College Football has the most meaningful regular season of any sport. Yet when it doesn't mesh with their agenda, they have no problem ignoring it.
Posted by zztop1234
Denham Springs
Member since Aug 2008
3713 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:24 pm to
The Problem I have with it is... If things were reverse would the Tigers play in BCSCG?

I wouldn't think so
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55427 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:29 pm to
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After 1/9, everyone outside of Louisiana knows the BCS got it right....


Good point.

Bama should have gotten a second chance at UF in 2008. Everyone outside of Florida knows this is right. Bama would have won, for sure. All you have to do is look at 2009 to know this...

See how fricking stupid you sound?
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS (mountain time)
Member since Mar 2004
72290 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:30 pm to
I wish Alabama would become a giant sinkhole.
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
17578 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:30 pm to
The reason we are so butt hurt over last years BCS game is because if we would have played Ok.ST, or whoever, we would have probably beaten them and become known as one of the best football teams ever.
But, it didn't happen, and we got beat by the best coach ever in college football that had a month to figure our our inept offense.
If we would have taken care of business in NO, we would be talking about how our team is one of the best college football teams in the history of the college football.
Face it, and get over it. Alabama was the second best team in college football at the time and ended up being the best. Move on, nothing to see or read here.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16370 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:48 pm to
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Uh, no, now you're just making stuff up. Alabama played 3 games after losing to LSU.


Haha ok 3 weeks instead of 4 weeks... not a big deal.

And during those weeks, OSU lost to Iowa St, their last game of the regular season. If they would of beaten Iowa St, the conference championship game wouldnt of mattered, win or lose. It doesnt matter that they beat a "top 10" oklahoma team, who finished the season with 3 losses. Actually, every team OSU beat had at least 3 losses once the season was over. Everyone wants to say that OSU played a tougher schedule and beat better teams, when in fact, all the teams they beat ended the season with 3+ loses. Not that tough if you ask me. They lost points because the teams they beat lost to lesser opponents. Bama only lost to us, and we went undefeated. Bama got pts from us beacuse we were the only team they lost to, and we ran the table. Their win over Arkansas is a way better W than any OSU had last year. Let it go guys, let it go.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 1:54 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86118 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:54 pm to
Im a firm believer of conference winners only. I felt LSU should have played USC in 03. Bama got lucky that the chips fell for them, they may have been the best team, but i just think they were the best that day. not throughout the season.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:57 pm to
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It doesnt matter that they beat a "top 10" oklahoma team, who finished the season with 3 losses. Actually, every team OSU beat had at least 3 losses once the season was over.


You keep touting this stat. And how did Bama's competition look last year?
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15659 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Jrv2damac
9 months later...how ridiculous was the BCS NC selection?

I wish Alabama would become a giant sinkhole.




It almost did in April of 2011.


Oh noooooooooo !! Too harsh Gumps ?? No harsher than the Katrina jokes we had to put up with in your toilet seat stadium in '05 and '07 from Jethro Gump and Ellie May Taaahd...
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83158 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 2:06 pm to
It seems that the legend of Iowa State's suckiness just keeps growing. I think by now they have to be the absolute worst ensemble of humanoids to ever don football jerseys and run around mindlessly on a football field.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
22098 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 2:08 pm to
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OSU lost to Iowa St, their last game of the regular season.


BIG 12 DID NOT HAVE A CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!!!

OKLAHOMA WAS OSUs LAST REGULAR SEASON GAME, WHICH JUST HAPPENED TO DECIDE WHO WON THE BIG 12.

What is so hard to understand about that???


Even so, this:

quote:

If they would of beaten Iowa St, the conference championship game wouldnt of mattered, win or lose.


IS THE MOST RETARDED THING I"VE EVER HEARD

What are you talking about???

Are you honestly saying if OSU beats Iowa State, then loses to Oklahoma, that they would have gone to the NCG????

SEriously, wtf???


quote:

every team OSU beat had at least 3 losses once the season was over. Everyone wants to say that OSU played a tougher schedule and beat better teams, when in fact, all the teams they beat ended the season with 3+ loses.



Alabama beat ONE team with less than 3 losses before 1/9, Arkansas. Bama beat UF, Auburn, UT, MSU, OM, and Vandy who all had FIVE OR MORE losses.

OSU beat OU, Baylor, K State, and Missouri, which would all be better than Bama's second best win. Hell, I might even put A&M in there as they were ranked #8 when OSU beat them.

OSU had better wins. Period. This is not hard to understand.

The only way Bama gets in over OSU is the ever flawless "eyeball test", and "best loss" test.
Posted by Thunder Tiger
Member since Sep 2011
2608 posts
Posted on 10/18/12 at 2:08 pm to
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After 1/9, everyone outside of Louisiana knows the BCS got it right....

If everyone else knows they got it so right, why very shortly after last season did they decide to change to a playoff style system next year? Why change a system that got it so right? It's because everyone outside of Alabama knows they got it dead wrong.
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