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85 scholarship limit and 4 Star Walk-ons
Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:16 pm
I posted a question as to whether the 85 scholarship limit mattered anymore in the era of NIL and received lots of downvotes and "stupid question" replies but there was still confusion on if NIL could get around the 85 limit.
It would seem there seems to be potential test of the theory. If this guy isn't put on a scholarship in spring, we will have our answer. He has 20 offers but chooses to be a walk-on. Will he count as part of the 85 even if he isn't on scholarship as some posters here think? I honestly still don't know but this may give us an answer.
This could start a whole new level of competition and I hope LSU is ready.
The sad part is things are going to get even messier for college football, it will never be the same.
https://highschool.si.com/florida/2024/01/17/trever-jackson-2024-4-star-qb-commits-to-florida-state
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/florida-state-football-adds-4-star-quarterback-from-orlando-to-2024-recruiting-class/ar-AA1n8HuK
It would seem there seems to be potential test of the theory. If this guy isn't put on a scholarship in spring, we will have our answer. He has 20 offers but chooses to be a walk-on. Will he count as part of the 85 even if he isn't on scholarship as some posters here think? I honestly still don't know but this may give us an answer.
This could start a whole new level of competition and I hope LSU is ready.
The sad part is things are going to get even messier for college football, it will never be the same.
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Since decommitting from Ole Miss back on Oct. 29, Jones quarterback Trever Jackson had been mulling over his options.
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he 6-foot-2, 185-pound quarterback had over 20 offers, with programs like Akron, Appalachian State, Pittsburgh and Texas A&M on his trail.
https://highschool.si.com/florida/2024/01/17/trever-jackson-2024-4-star-qb-commits-to-florida-state
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Florida State football continues to add to its 2024 recruiting class and specifically its quarterback room.
Trever Jackson, a 4-star recruit in the 2024 recruiting cycle committed to the Seminoles on Wednesday. He is likely to be a walk-on, per Noles247.
Jackson announced his commitment on X (formerly Twitter).
He joins a room that already includes DJ Uiagalelei, Brock Glenn, Luke Kromenhoek and walk-on Michael Grant.
Jackson attended Jones High in Orlando and is the 348th-ranked player in the 2024 class, the 22nd-ranked QB and the 48th-ranked player in the state, per 247Sports Composite Rankings.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/florida-state-football-adds-4-star-quarterback-from-orlando-to-2024-recruiting-class/ar-AA1n8HuK
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:19 pm to SpartanSoul
I stopped reading when you started complaining about prior downvotes.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:28 pm to SpartanSoul
I wonder the same thing. A scholarship used to mean a "free ride" which included tuition, books, housing, and meals. Now it doesn't mean anything, really. What's the difference between a full scholarship player and a walk-on in this day an age of NIL? 
Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:30 pm to Cwils2222
That's you prerogative. The downvotes don't bother me, this is not only the internet but the Rant, this shite doesn't matter.
I was just disappointed in the people shiting on a post and offering nothing to the discussion, since you know this is a discussion board and this topic could have a major impact on college football in general and LSU.
But I guess I already answered that, this is the Rant.
I was just disappointed in the people shiting on a post and offering nothing to the discussion, since you know this is a discussion board and this topic could have a major impact on college football in general and LSU.
But I guess I already answered that, this is the Rant.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:36 pm to LSU Tigerhead
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wonder the same thing. A scholarship used to mean a "free ride" which included tuition, books, housing, and meals. Now it doesn't mean anything, really. What's the difference between a full scholarship player and a walk-on in this day an age of NIL?
I posed the same situation a few days ago but it didn’t get any traction. Why couldn’t a school set up a program where the collective covers the cost for specific walk ons to save a few scholarships.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:43 pm to SpartanSoul
I think this lives in a gray area no one has really sussed out, which probably means the NCAA doesn't have a clue. But from what I understand is, if you recruited him at any point before he came to your school he is a part of your 85. Now what happens if he just "shows up" at your school? Walk on. You can see how this could be exploited.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:43 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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I posed the same situation a few days ago but it didn’t get any traction. Why couldn’t a school set up a program where the collective covers the cost for specific walk ons to save a few scholarships.
In the other thread I started it was posted that once an athlete was recruited it limited on how they could be classified and they would count as a scholarship player if receiving "aid".
I just don't see how you can count NIL as aid since it is income and doesn't come from the institution. The athlete can use it how they want, the NCAA has no power over it.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 7:11 pm to SpartanSoul
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there was still confusion on if NIL could get around the 85 limit.
Our baseball team clearly used NIL to get around the 11.7 scholarship limit
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 7:18 pm to SpartanSoul
Yes a highly recruited “walk on” counts towards the scholarship numbers
It’s like if a top draft pick doesn’t enter the draft but tries to get a free agent contract
It’s like if a top draft pick doesn’t enter the draft but tries to get a free agent contract
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:16 pm to LSU Tigerhead
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A scholarship used to mean a "free ride" which included tuition, books, housing, and meals. Now it doesn't mean anything, really. What's the difference between a full scholarship player and a walk-on in this day an age of NIL?
Apparently you aren’t aware of all of the Bama gray shirts that had them way over 85 on the team. Saban has been doing that forever.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:26 am to SpartanSoul
I think I can answer your basic question but there a few specific rules that others will need to chime in on.
Football is a “head count” sport that provides 85 full scholarships. These scholarships which come from the university,cover tuition, fees, Books, room and board and in the last few years have included a stipend for cost of attendance.
Football team rosters are limited to 105 players. Obviously this means that 20 players are not on scholarship. They are “walk-ons”.
During fall camp (unless they have changed it) only the 85 scholarship players and a limited number of “preferred walk ons” may practice initially (I think until school starts)…again, this might have been changed.
Now, with NIL there is nothing to say that a player can’t be paid by a company for his name/image/likeness and then use that money to pay for his tuition, fees, books etc and then choose to walk on the football team.
So, I think to answer your question, yes, NIL could theoretically be used (and I believe is) to pay for the tuition for walk on players
There are some rules involving “recruited student athletes” who take official visits vs unofficial visits and what can be done scholarship wise.
Football is a “head count” sport that provides 85 full scholarships. These scholarships which come from the university,cover tuition, fees, Books, room and board and in the last few years have included a stipend for cost of attendance.
Football team rosters are limited to 105 players. Obviously this means that 20 players are not on scholarship. They are “walk-ons”.
During fall camp (unless they have changed it) only the 85 scholarship players and a limited number of “preferred walk ons” may practice initially (I think until school starts)…again, this might have been changed.
Now, with NIL there is nothing to say that a player can’t be paid by a company for his name/image/likeness and then use that money to pay for his tuition, fees, books etc and then choose to walk on the football team.
So, I think to answer your question, yes, NIL could theoretically be used (and I believe is) to pay for the tuition for walk on players
There are some rules involving “recruited student athletes” who take official visits vs unofficial visits and what can be done scholarship wise.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 5:25 am to SpartanSoul
Because no one knows for sure in this wild west world of NIL.
Old rules, which may still be current rules, had specific language regarding walkons. PWOs are kids that were recruited walk ons and have specific timelines towards scholarship availability. Greyshirts kids that agree to pay their own way for a semester then get a scholarship. Blueshirts, essentially greyshirts that weren't recruited(no off campus contact). Language about traditional walk ons(not recruited) not being eligible for a scholarship for at least 2 years. I'm sure there are many more in there. I'm sure they all apply to different situations. But again, 99% of us don't know for sure because so much has changed perceptionally with NIL. The 85 rule and how it works in regards to seniors who havent graduated and early enrollees still confuses people and it hasnt changed in years.
All we know for sure is that schools are using nil to circumvent counting towards the 85 limit initially to take transfers. How long or what situations are legal or not is the unknown. LSU is using it to. Been widely reported Ausberry is one and been suggested there may be more. I just don't really worry about it and let the numbers work how they work. Compliance is paid to know these things.
Old rules, which may still be current rules, had specific language regarding walkons. PWOs are kids that were recruited walk ons and have specific timelines towards scholarship availability. Greyshirts kids that agree to pay their own way for a semester then get a scholarship. Blueshirts, essentially greyshirts that weren't recruited(no off campus contact). Language about traditional walk ons(not recruited) not being eligible for a scholarship for at least 2 years. I'm sure there are many more in there. I'm sure they all apply to different situations. But again, 99% of us don't know for sure because so much has changed perceptionally with NIL. The 85 rule and how it works in regards to seniors who havent graduated and early enrollees still confuses people and it hasnt changed in years.
All we know for sure is that schools are using nil to circumvent counting towards the 85 limit initially to take transfers. How long or what situations are legal or not is the unknown. LSU is using it to. Been widely reported Ausberry is one and been suggested there may be more. I just don't really worry about it and let the numbers work how they work. Compliance is paid to know these things.
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