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re: 2021 revised season
Posted on 2/20/25 at 3:50 pm to turnpiketiger
Posted on 2/20/25 at 3:50 pm to turnpiketiger
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 5:07 pm to Tigersince99
quote:just say you’re an idiot. Dude is a top 5 coach of all time. National championships at two different schools, plus an undefeated season at a 3rd.
Urban Meyer is the most overrated HC in CFB History.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 5:16 pm to High Life
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O lost Aranda, Joe Brady, and 14 players to the nfl draft. Then he went trough a global pandemic and a divorce. Myles brennan and max johnson were horrible. Still in his last year there were a handful of games that could've gone different and he only lost to a #1 ranked bama team 20-14. We are now paying BK $100 million to lose to bama by 30
It’s funny how the same “KELLY HAS NO EXCUSES!!! THIS IS LSU!!!!!” guys are the same ones who make mountains of excuses for Orgeron. My favorite is the pandemic excuse as if everyone else in the country had to manage that.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 5:19 pm to turnpiketiger
What if Ed never lost a game?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:09 am to Nutriaitch
please name one example of a scenario like that since it happens so frequently.
I do not believe that this was the only issue with the 2020 team, there were numerous different flaws.
I do not believe that this was the only issue with the 2020 team, there were numerous different flaws.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:48 am to Tigersince99
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please name one example of a scenario like that since it happens so frequently.
I do not believe that this was the only issue with the 2020 team, there were numerous different flaws.
Dude, give it up. Ed was not a good head football coach. He's basically Gene Chizik with Cam Newton. He had two seasons with Joe Burrow in which he went 25-3.
His other 8 seasons as a head coach (I'm even willing to give him credit for the USC interim stint) he went 42-44.
He's a career sub .500 head coach when he didn't have a generational QB that caught lightning in a bottle but had no skills or staying power to sustain or rebuild a program.
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:25 pm to Tigersince99
quote:Mainly an incompetent HC, like career DL coach not possessing the IQ to oversee a defense.
there were numerous different flaws
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:24 pm to JiminyCricket
O was extremely good at going to get a player or coach when someone else told him too, think Joe Burrow and Brady, which were both very lucky. After he became the head man, the decision on who to go get became his decision and he showed he was terrible at making that call.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:25 pm to Tigersince99
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please name one example of a scenario like that since it happens so frequently.
example of an assistant leaving?
it happens to multiple teams every single football season.
you want one where the coach "verbally agreed" to stay and then left?
ok Tommy Tuberville said only way he was leaving Oxford was in a Pine Box.
couple weeks later he was head coach at Auburn instead of Ole Miss.
Ole Miss won more games the following year than they did Tubby's last season.
oh, and he was the HEAD coach, not an assistant.
Nick Saban specifically said "I will not be the coach at Alabama" two weeks before accepting the Alabama job.
I already gave you an example of an assistant stepping down at LSU immediately before the season (not spring practice) started. That team won 13 games with Lee/Jefferson combo at QB.
if you're looking for the extremely specific situation of a "passing game coordinator" leaving after "verbally agreeing" to stay but then only going to the "NFL", then maybe not that very specific situation has ever happened.
If you're looking for a coach that said they were staying ends up leaving? happens quite often.
If you're looking for coaches that leave late in the process and close to the beginning of the following season, yep that happens a lot too.
Coaches leave for the NFL? yep that also happens pretty regularly.
but there is no way in hell even you think that the very specific details of Brady leaving was the issue.
he then had the full offseason between 2020-2021 to replace him and all he was able to trot out was the #80 scoring offense in the country in '21.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:30 pm to TigerDM
100%.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:45 pm to JiminyCricket
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PGC
He was more than that and you know it.
And as far as replacing coordinators, was O's situation and outcomes any worse than what we've experienced since he left? It's been a coaching carousel and with not exactly the best of the best on the sidelines or in the booth on both sides of the ball. Esp with him rehiring coordinators that were here under O.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:50 pm to Tigersince99
Disgusting. But nevertheless MJ came dangerously close to completing that idiotic nolook toss.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 4:34 pm to Cuz413
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He was more than that and you know it. And as far as replacing coordinators, was O's situation and outcomes any worse than what we've experienced since he left? It's been a coaching carousel and with not exactly the best of the best on the sidelines or in the booth on both sides of the ball. Esp with him rehiring coordinators that were here under O.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 4:55 pm to turnpiketiger
His whole style was to hire the right people to run things and he could not consistently do that.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 5:20 pm to JiminyCricket
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JiminyCricket
So no comment on Brady? Or is still just some PGC in the pros?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:57 pm to Cuz413
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So no comment on Brady? Or is still just some PGC in the pros?
Your post is full of mistakes first of all.
1) he didn’t replace his OC in 2020. He had Ensminger back that year.
2) the offense wasn’t really the problem in 2020, it was a historically bad defense, coordinated by a DC he didn’t even interview.
3) Denbrock, Baker and I’d argue Sloan have all been better coordinator hires than any of the ones O hired. I’d take Baker and even house over pelini. At least House had one good year. I’d take Sloan and Denbrock over Peetz.
Quit defending O. It’s pathetic.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:30 am to JiminyCricket
You said
I said he was more than that
You replied
I never said anything about when he left, just that he was more then some random arse coordinator. You are dismissing the abilities of an NFL OC and the effect he had on the program.
Coming off an NC, losing a ton of talent to the NFL, losing coordinators, but the worst was losing rent a wins to be replaced by SEC teams hurt more. Take away the extra SEC games and LSU has a winning record in 2020.
Sloan is no where near the OC Slinger was.
O also hired Baker, who Kelly determined wasn't worth retaining, only to go rehire him.
Agree
100% agree. I didn't like Pelini his first time through LSU.
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Was Ed’s program so fragile that a PGC leaving the program sent it into a tailspin?
I said he was more than that
You replied
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1) he didn’t replace his OC in 2020. He had Ensminger back that year.
I never said anything about when he left, just that he was more then some random arse coordinator. You are dismissing the abilities of an NFL OC and the effect he had on the program.
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the offense wasn’t really the problem in 2020, it was a historically bad defense
Coming off an NC, losing a ton of talent to the NFL, losing coordinators, but the worst was losing rent a wins to be replaced by SEC teams hurt more. Take away the extra SEC games and LSU has a winning record in 2020.
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Sloan have all been better coordinator hires than any of the ones O hired.
Sloan is no where near the OC Slinger was.
O also hired Baker, who Kelly determined wasn't worth retaining, only to go rehire him.
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I’d take Sloan and Denbrock over Peetz.
Agree
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I’d take Baker and even house over pelini.
100% agree. I didn't like Pelini his first time through LSU.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:32 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Look at his track record as a HC, and tell me what you think.
You mean the one that includes the recruitment of Burrow and building and leading the greatest team in NCAA history?
Long live O, the right man at the right time for the job. Why people bash him amazes me. Without Onwe have no 2019 season.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:34 am to Cuz413
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I never said anything about when he left, just that he was more then some random arse coordinator. You are dismissing the abilities of an NFL OC and the effect he had on the program.
So what? Great programs replace coordinators pretty much every year because guys either go to the NFL or to other HC jobs in college. This pity party that O got the short end because he lost Brady when every other major program deals with the same thing is just a pathetic excuse. If O was as good as people wanna pretend he was, he should’ve adapted and at least not bottomed out.
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Coming off an NC, losing a ton of talent to the NFL, losing coordinators, but the worst was losing rent a wins to be replaced by SEC teams hurt more. Take away the extra SEC games and LSU has a winning record in 2020.
Literally everyone else in the country dealt with Covid and every championship level program deals with this all the time. Ed bottomed out the program and was unable to adapt. So what, if he would’ve beaten ULM and Samford that year, everything would’ve been okay?
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Sloan is no where near the OC Slinger was. O also hired Baker, who Kelly determined wasn't worth retaining, only to go rehire him.
Ed inherited Steve on his staff. We saw his ability, or lack of one, to hire through a true search once they left.
Baker hadn’t been a DC yet and wasn’t qualified. He took an SEC DC job and succeeded. That changed his resume. Idk why that’s so hard to comprehend. Once Baker built his resume, he became a legitimate candidate. I’d criticize firing Corey WAYYYYY more than not retaining Baker.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:35 am to CDawson
Orgeron was a hot gal that you dated and enjoyed but found out 5 years into your marriage didn’t have anything other than initial sizzle and the marriage fell apart.
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