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2018 LSU Tigers to shock the CFB World
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:03 pm
OK, before stating a basis for this claim, let's highlight why so many view the team as a 6-6 or 7-5 type team.
1) Schedule - It's brutal
2) RB - Not the typical Corp we usually have.
3) Coach O - Many think he is not as good of a HC as other SEC HC's
4) Coach E - See #3 and sub out OC for HC.
5) 2017 Losses to Miss St and Troy.
6) QB - See recent history.
7) Hardly any offensive production returning from 20170
OK. We get it. We know that some of this is expected for CFB analysts who are spread too thin. And some of it just comes as a cost (to LSU's reputation) due to the underachievement over the last few year's.... so people have analytical "info" to base their bad predicts on. Just as Bama rightfully gets the benefit of the doubt each year, so goes the opposite in LSU's case. National "experts" have all they need to point to, to predict such a record.
Now...What are they missing?
Just as the negatives are emphasized in a negative assessment, so will the positive prognostication emphasize the upside. Here goes...
1) The D-Line. In stark contrast to the relatively poor (by LSU standards) front line starting unit, and the 2 and 3 deep from the early 2017 season, the 2018 D-Line is drastically better in starters and depth/rotation. It is too early to claim a 2003/2007/2011 level D-Line squad, but it is a possibility.
2) Aranda - He is the best DC in college football,he is in year 3 with full installment of his packages, and he has an awesome group of players.
3) Yes, sticking with the D. The LSU linebacker group, led by Devin White, is arguably as good of a group that LSU has had on one team.
4) Yes again - sticking with the D. As in DBU. Greedy, Alexander-or-Vincent, plus Delpit and Battle-or-Jacoby, with Harris, Monroe and Paris...Thats a DBU type of bad arse group.
5) WR's - Giles, Jefferson and Chase all look like Sunday players. Throw in Marshall, Dillon, and numerous others. It's a very talented group with tremendous potential. Yes, agreed that it is potential... But still..
6) TE's - Foster and Sullivan. If Sullivan stays at this position, these two are hard to cover. Especially with the WR's the opponent will have to cover.
7) RB's - Yep. Mentioning this unit this low is not normal, but CEH and Curry show plenty of legit SEC capability. Provens and Brossette might prove legit as well. I particularly think Curry's film from HS looks to be a good SEC fit. The Marshawn Lynch compare by Coach O is maybe a bit much, but we'll see.
8) QB - I see a lot of commonality of Burrow to Flynn. 6'3" 220ish,decent wheels, a student of the game, and seems to be able to make all the throws and acts like a leader. Also, as stated in another thread, I see the potential for Narcisse's to play a situational wildcat and short yardage role. Burrow with about 90% of snaps, with Narcisse's the others when it makes sense. Etling was very limited due to poor accuracy on throws beyond 35 yards. Burrow needs to prove himself in that category, especially with a heavy mix of passing in Coach R's offense.
OK.. That's enough.
Bottom line: Defense and D-Line (with depth) is what every SEC Champ has had in recent years, and Aranda and his D will be top notch. Coach E and Coach Sullivan are the key, along with a strong OLine. (I know, the OLine depth is not great, but it could be pretty good. OK, the OLine is the area we need the most luck in, but in this assessment, I'm gonna assume we get it. :-) )
This 2018 team will win in the 9-12 range, vs the 6-9 range.
And if the D and Burrow are as good as I project, SEC West contention is a real possibility.
With the media completely dissing the Tigers, leaving them almost completely out of the conversation, we are right were we want to be as the underdog - and poised the shock the CFB World.
1) Schedule - It's brutal
2) RB - Not the typical Corp we usually have.
3) Coach O - Many think he is not as good of a HC as other SEC HC's
4) Coach E - See #3 and sub out OC for HC.
5) 2017 Losses to Miss St and Troy.
6) QB - See recent history.
7) Hardly any offensive production returning from 20170
OK. We get it. We know that some of this is expected for CFB analysts who are spread too thin. And some of it just comes as a cost (to LSU's reputation) due to the underachievement over the last few year's.... so people have analytical "info" to base their bad predicts on. Just as Bama rightfully gets the benefit of the doubt each year, so goes the opposite in LSU's case. National "experts" have all they need to point to, to predict such a record.
Now...What are they missing?
Just as the negatives are emphasized in a negative assessment, so will the positive prognostication emphasize the upside. Here goes...
1) The D-Line. In stark contrast to the relatively poor (by LSU standards) front line starting unit, and the 2 and 3 deep from the early 2017 season, the 2018 D-Line is drastically better in starters and depth/rotation. It is too early to claim a 2003/2007/2011 level D-Line squad, but it is a possibility.
2) Aranda - He is the best DC in college football,he is in year 3 with full installment of his packages, and he has an awesome group of players.
3) Yes, sticking with the D. The LSU linebacker group, led by Devin White, is arguably as good of a group that LSU has had on one team.
4) Yes again - sticking with the D. As in DBU. Greedy, Alexander-or-Vincent, plus Delpit and Battle-or-Jacoby, with Harris, Monroe and Paris...Thats a DBU type of bad arse group.
5) WR's - Giles, Jefferson and Chase all look like Sunday players. Throw in Marshall, Dillon, and numerous others. It's a very talented group with tremendous potential. Yes, agreed that it is potential... But still..
6) TE's - Foster and Sullivan. If Sullivan stays at this position, these two are hard to cover. Especially with the WR's the opponent will have to cover.
7) RB's - Yep. Mentioning this unit this low is not normal, but CEH and Curry show plenty of legit SEC capability. Provens and Brossette might prove legit as well. I particularly think Curry's film from HS looks to be a good SEC fit. The Marshawn Lynch compare by Coach O is maybe a bit much, but we'll see.
8) QB - I see a lot of commonality of Burrow to Flynn. 6'3" 220ish,decent wheels, a student of the game, and seems to be able to make all the throws and acts like a leader. Also, as stated in another thread, I see the potential for Narcisse's to play a situational wildcat and short yardage role. Burrow with about 90% of snaps, with Narcisse's the others when it makes sense. Etling was very limited due to poor accuracy on throws beyond 35 yards. Burrow needs to prove himself in that category, especially with a heavy mix of passing in Coach R's offense.
OK.. That's enough.
Bottom line: Defense and D-Line (with depth) is what every SEC Champ has had in recent years, and Aranda and his D will be top notch. Coach E and Coach Sullivan are the key, along with a strong OLine. (I know, the OLine depth is not great, but it could be pretty good. OK, the OLine is the area we need the most luck in, but in this assessment, I'm gonna assume we get it. :-) )
This 2018 team will win in the 9-12 range, vs the 6-9 range.
And if the D and Burrow are as good as I project, SEC West contention is a real possibility.
With the media completely dissing the Tigers, leaving them almost completely out of the conversation, we are right were we want to be as the underdog - and poised the shock the CFB World.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:06 pm to TigerBert
Where’s the shock in your essay?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:07 pm to TigerBert
quote:
OK, before stating a basis for this claim, let's highlight why so many view the team as a 6-6 or 7-5 type team.
1) Schedule - It's brutal
2) RB - Not the typical Corp we usually have.
3) Coach O - Many think he is not as good of a HC as other SEC HC's
4) Coach E - See #3 and sub out OC for HC.
5) 2017 Losses to Miss St and Troy.
6) QB - See recent history.
7) Hardly any offensive production returning from 20170
OK. We get it. We know that some of this is expected for CFB analysts who are spread too thin
uhhh, i pay pretty close attention to LSU and all the above listed scare the daylights out of me.
Other than Aranda nothing you listed as a reason we'll shock the world was really all that compelling. Outside of White, Greedy, and KC we have question marks all over the field. Sure, maybe it will all come together but that's less likely than the opposite given the 7 reasons you listed to start with.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:08 pm to TigerBert
I like it. It’s VERY optimistic, but people think we’ll suck and I just don’t see it. I just hope everything works out, a lot is based on potential. If the talent is there, with a nice game plan installed, then we can turn some heads
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:08 pm to TigerBert
Lollerskates if you think we’re finishing better than 8-4 with our schedule and HC/OC.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:09 pm to TigerBert
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3) Coach O - History shows he is not as good of a HC as other SEC HC's
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:10 pm to TigerBert
quote:
we are right were we want to be as the underdog
Personally I'd rather be the overwhelming favorite.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:11 pm to TigerBert
There is a reason the media is picking LSU in the 7-5 range.
Would you be saying the same thinks if O, staff, and exact roster were at Auburn or would you be laughing at them?
Would you be saying the same thinks if O, staff, and exact roster were at Auburn or would you be laughing at them?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:12 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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) Coach O - History shows he is not as good of a HC as other SEC HC's
Not counting Old Miss. Counting only USC-West and LSU. That is 6-2,6-2 and 9-4, for a 21-8 record. That's hardly bad. He needs to beat Bama though.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:14 pm to TigerBert
So, just throw out the part that hurts your argument?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:17 pm to TigerBert
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Not counting Old Miss.
Oh, you mean the only other time he ever had control of a program?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:20 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:
) Coach O - History shows he is not as good of a HC as other SEC HC's
Not counting Old Miss. Counting only USC-West and LSU. That is 6-2,6-2 and 9-4, for a 21-8 record. That's hardly bad. He needs to beat Bama though.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:22 pm to TigerBert
Why aren’t you counting Ole Miss?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:23 pm to TigerBert
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:28 pm to TigerBert
So your telling me if you only count his good years hes a good coach? Genius.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:31 pm to TigerBert
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1) Schedule - It's brutal
Tough schedule, but I wouldn’t say brutal. We’ve faced worse many times since 2000.
3 of the 4 toughest games on the schedule are in Tiger Stadium. The only marquee OOC game is against a team that will be borderline Top25 at year’s end.
There’s only 3 teams on our schedule that should probably beat us, and 2 of those games are home games. I expect 9-3 or 10-2 ... anything less will be a bad season IMO.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:56 pm to TigerBert
None of your reasons why we might shock the world have anything to do with Orgeron's coaching. That's telling.
As much as you may hate this he's the main component of the program that we need to shock the world. How is he going to change going forward?
As much as you may hate this he's the main component of the program that we need to shock the world. How is he going to change going forward?
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 7:58 pm
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