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re: 2015: Finished 10*-3 and the AD attempted to fire the head coach
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:00 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:00 pm to SammyTiger
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To spend 2 years without Les and the offense still sucks, I dont Really think you get excuses andmore.
God, this annoys me so much.
Alleva talked about offensive changes, flat out, after the A&M game in '15. When he fired Les Miles, Alleva flat out said he'd hire an offensive coach who a proven track record to fix the offense.
... and now we have Orgeron and Ensminger.
WTF
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Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:03 pm to SammyTiger
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Online arguments are limited, and pettier.
This is certainly true.
Sammy, IMO you're taking it a bit far in this thread, but I get your point. We need to see some improvements on both sides next season. Lester is also making some good points as to why he believes those improvements will actually happen.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:06 pm to SammyTiger
Yea, usually in real life when people get desperate they know it and they shut up. I just don’t understand how you can continually repeat something that conceptually does not make sense. Just because the numbers look alike does not make them all the same.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:07 pm to TigerLunatik
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TigerLunatik
You're a generally neutral poster. What is your opinion on 9-3 is now "exceeding expectations"?
This is the problem most people have with posters like Earl. He belittles Les Miles every chance he gets. Les Miles went 9-3, or better, in 2 of his final 3 seasons before being fired. Now, Lester believes that 9-3 is exceeding expectations.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:10 pm to TigerLunatik
My feelings about O have never been that he can’t do anyone right, it’s that he doesn’t do enough.
The #1 job for Les’s replacement was fixing the offense. We’re 2 years in hoping that we’ll all of a sudden come together and be good, while keeping an OC that didn’t do much, and completely lacks an offensive identity.
No team has ever gotten worse with better players, but I dont Think we’ll get where we want to be just by player improvement alone. We need a more creative offense, someone who understands modern football better.
The #1 job for Les’s replacement was fixing the offense. We’re 2 years in hoping that we’ll all of a sudden come together and be good, while keeping an OC that didn’t do much, and completely lacks an offensive identity.
No team has ever gotten worse with better players, but I dont Think we’ll get where we want to be just by player improvement alone. We need a more creative offense, someone who understands modern football better.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:11 pm to Lester Earl
In real life I dont Know anyone who is pretrending this is all going to fix itself.
Not a single person.
Not a single person.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:15 pm to SammyTiger
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My feelings about O have never been that he can’t do anyone right, it’s that he doesn’t do enough.
Did Les have people on 104.5 payroll spinning the situation? No.
O does. Nothing will change.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:16 pm to RB10
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What is your opinion on 9-3 is now "exceeding expectations"?
I don't like using the media's expectations as a barometer for success. How often are they really right on this stuff?
9-3 is a good year, not great and not terrible. In the 2 close losses, if the defense gets a couple stops, we win. If the offense gets a few more first downs, we win. It's a team loss and they need to improve in those areas to be a better team. Lester makes some good points on why that may happen, but that remains to be seen.
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He belittles Les Miles every chance he gets. Les Miles went 9-3, or better, in 2 of his final 3 seasons before being fired.
Miles had some really bad losses at the end there. I will say that the first year players reasonin should be applied to the 41-7 loss at Auburn. True freshman QB and RB.
Things are usually not as good or bad as people think they are. We've seen some positives this year in the Ole Miss and UGA games and we've seen some not so good moments in other games. Improving as a team means being more consistent and hopefully another year and some more experience brings that. IMO, we need to see that happen next season or begin to discuss other options.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:17 pm to TigerLunatik
You're dancing around the question. Lester Earl is claiming Orgeron exceeded expectations this season, is he correct in your opinion?
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:18 pm to RB10
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Les Miles went 9-3, or better, in 2 of his final 3 seasons before being fired. Now, Lester believes that 9-3 is exceeding expectations.
Do you think les Miles should have been fired? If so why
Fwiw my expectations were met this year.
When I say exceed I’m talking about the majority of the general public that was wrong about this team this year
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:19 pm to TigerLunatik
We very likely will see improvements, BUT the record likely will not improve. I looked at the schedule again. Next season is most likely another 9 & 3.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:19 pm to Lester Earl
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Fwiw my expectations were met this year.
When I say exceed I’m talking about the majority of the general public that was wrong about this team this year
Who's crawfishing now? You really are a joke.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:24 pm to RB10
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Lester Earl is claiming Orgeron exceeded expectations this season, is he correct in your opinion?
It depends on which expectations you use. It sounds to me like he's using the media's expectations, in that case yes. IMO, the expectations at LSU is always 10 wins. So, if you use my expecations, no we did not. Everyone uses different measuring sticks and it's hard to say who is right and who is wrong. That's why we have a college football playoff committee.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:27 pm to TigerLunatik
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It depends on which expectations you use. It sounds to me like he's using the media's expectations, in that case yes. IMO, the expectations at LSU is always 10 wins. So, if you use my expecations, no we did not.
So let me ask you this. Is the program in a better place right now because of a perceived "exceeding" of expectations based on media predictions?
Which is truly better:
9 wins is exceeding expectations because the media does not respect your program. (Orgeron Era)
or
9 wins is considered a disappointment because the media sees what the LSU football program should be? (Miles Era)
People like Lester Earl are content with the former. Personally, I'll take the latter every time. Then again, I'm not a "2nd or 3rd place is good enough" kind of guy.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:28 pm to RB10
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Who's crawfishing now? You really are a joke
No, you just can’t read as usual. From a page or 2 ago, this is what I said.
Expectations were met, and in the majority of cases, exceeded in year 2
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:30 pm to Lester Earl
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No, you just can’t read as usual.
Expectations were met, and in the majority of cases, exceeded in year 2
I mean, how can you contradict yourself in the same fricking post? You just quoted yourself saying the majority of expectations were exceeded while claiming expectations were not exceeded, after previously claiming expectations were exceeded.
You need to regroup and try again tomorrow Earl. You've got your narratives twisted up and can't get shite straight. I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but damn son this is especially embarrassing, even for you.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:35 pm to RB10
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Is the program in a better place right now because of a perceived "exceeding" of expectations based on media predictions?
No, I wouldn't say that should ever be used as reasoning.
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Then again, I'm not a "2nd or 3rd place is good enough" kind of guy.
I don't get that a lot of people are saying that. Every coach is gonna get 3 years as full time head coach and we'll see how next season plays out. I think a lot of people are simply saying that it's not all doom and gloom right now and that next season has a chance to be a really good football team.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:36 pm to Lester Earl
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When I say exceed I’m talking about the majority of the general public that was wrong about this team this year
Wonderful! What should my expectations be as to when LSU should score against Bama?
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:37 pm to TigerLunatik
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I think a lot of people are simply saying that it's not all doom and gloom right now and that next season has a chance to be a really good football team.
There's a Grand Canyon sized spread of outcomes between "doom and gloom" and "exceeded expectations".
Something you seem to be missing today and Lester Earl has totally ignored with regards to Orgeron.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 3:37 pm to RB10
I’m not surprised that is what you take away from that statement. I’m not sure you could be any more insecure
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 3:38 pm
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