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2011 success was fool's gold that set LSU back more than the BCS loss (long)

Posted on 12/5/20 at 10:58 am
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 12/5/20 at 10:58 am
Let's breakdown this resumé

- Oregon was breaking in a shitload of new players and their returner was out, his backup gave up a fumble returned for a TD to TM7. Oregon finished the game with like 15 penalties and a -4 turnover margin. 41-27 score incredibly misleading.

- Didn't get the turnover margin on the road against a mediocre MSU team, Lee played like the scared and damaged kid he usually was and the caveman offense grinded out a brutal 19-6 win

- WV put up a ton of yards on us and outgained us by nearly 200 yds. LSU benefitted from a +4 turnover margin and a kickoff return TD. Lee played ok compared to his usual road games. But it wasn't domination despite the score

- To their credit, beat up on bad Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee and Florida teams like they should have done

- game of the century: if you're not a massive homer, you realized that Alabama was the better team, but LSU was much better in a crucial area: special teams. Drew Alleman and Brad Wing were great, Bama's kickers and returners? Less so. Running the option with Jefferson caught them off guard a few times.

-Arkansas, fell behind 14-7 until TM7's return TD completely flipped the momentum. Go their credit, the offensive staff used more spread sets and zone reads with JJ and he played well. This is how his career should have been

-UGA, offense completely bottoms out. No first downs in the first half. TM7's return TD flips the momentum again and LSU wears down UGA's soft defensive front eventually and pulls away. LSU finishes with more points than passing yards.

-BCS title game: in the month leading up to this, the two brain cells in Clue-Les' head rubbed together and produced the game plan of "well, you know that speed option play with JJ caught Bama off guard in the first game, so I'm sure Nick Saban and co. will ignore it in their prep and be absolutely helpless against it this time! " McElwain et al decide to let McCarron air it out to open the game to loosen our defense up, it works and they put up 400 yds (missed multiple FG's again iirc) and 21 pts though they would've only needed half of either.

The lesson that people took from this season was, "Well shite, we can just try to play Bo Schembechler ball in the modern SEC, only Bama can give us trouble! "

What it should have been was " Our coach is a blithering idiot who refuses to maximize our talent across the field, we don't have the OL talent / development to implement his philosophy even if it could work these days, the lynchpin to 2011's success was a generational talent in Mathieu and a turnover margin that just couldn't be replicated season by season."

Tbf I think some fans realize what Miles was, but Alleva was so fricking weak and timid that he wasn't going to do shite. The trend of attrition and being lax in everything except weed testing took hold: Miles kicked Mathieu off the team for fricking weed (some hick fans still call him a "thug" for that!), but let the team vote to allow Jeremy Hill to play after he violated his probation by sucker punching someone on video. Numerous other off field incidents brushed off, the first Guice accuser (summer of 2016) says that "all the higher ups knew and definitely an equipment manager knew about Guice taking a partially nude photo of her and sharing it without her permission: 99% chance Miles knew and didn't gaf.

By the end of 2015 it was clear that Miles' philosophy was a sad joke. To add insult to injury, he tried to fit dual-threat QBs into his 1970s I-formation offense. The 8-0 start had been yet another fluke and after getting fully exposed at Bama, LSU was rock-bottomed by Arkansas and Ole Miss. All the usual symptoms of a Miles team were at their worst: no discipline, overall lazy disposition, no creativity on offense. With Texas A&M, Miles found an opponent as inept as him (Sumlin at Arizona has been arguably worse than Miles at Kansas since the former had some good talent, especially Khalil Tate). LSU was the last retard standing after a debacle of the game and coward Alleva caved in to the touchy-feely good ol Les image (completely bogus) and gave him a chance to waste another season.

LSU signed a solid 2016 recruiting class, but there were some glaring roster issues: lack of depth at OL and having as many fullbacks as receivers.

2016 Wisconsin game began with Miles giving a "frick you" to the fans and administrators dumb enough to trust him by lining up in 22 personnel and running toss power with Fournette. More insult to injury: Boutte's godawful cheap shot at the end of the game and Piles' excuses for him afterwards showed just how sorry things were at every level. Auburn showed that Class-Les was still clueless as well with his clock management. He's finally put out of his misery, but the rot has set in so badly that we're still paying for it.

Oh and the "entitled" attitudes y'all complain about started with good old chest-loving Les: what he sold recruits on was getting to the pros, they knew that trash offense wasn't going to win championships. Added bonus of having a coach who doesn't care about anything you do besides smoking weed. So we did well recruiting defense and RBs (and FBs) but lost a bunch of OL and skill position recruits.

Basically, stop thinking of 2011 as a great season and Miles having redeemable qualities. He inherited a program with all the momentum in the world, a massive head start over sanctioned Bama and got two SEC titles and a paper, two loss NC out over the course of a decade. 2011 solidified Miles and allowed him to rot the program from the inside and that grew until it attracted NCAA attention just like Erickson at Miami and Switzer at Oklahoma. Miles was like those but without the success, he was not a "good guy" or even a decent coach.
Posted by TheLegend
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
2729 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:22 am to
Holy shite. Where to begin with this bullshite
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
84034 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:23 am to
Retard alert gif

Been waiting for this board to open just to say that. What a fricking disgrace of a thread.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31157 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:23 am to
Maybe the best defense LSU ever fielded. Not a fluke by any stretch.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41139 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:26 am to
Oregon Rose Bowl Champs(Wisconsin)
West Virginia Orange Bowl Champs (Clemson)
Florida Gator Bowl Champs(Ohio State)
Alabama BCS Champs (LSU)

LSU beat all 4, plus UGA (SEC East champs) that year.
That resume was among the greatest of all time.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
COINTELPRO Fan
Member since May 2012
55520 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:29 am to
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Basically, stop thinking of 2011 as a great season and Miles having redeemable qualities.
no, im good
Posted by Lloyd Xmas
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
23 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:31 am to
What you wouldn't read about is how Ray Finkle lost his mind, was committed to a mental hospital, only to escape and join the police force under the assumed identity of a missing hiker in a diabolical scheme to get even with Dan Marino who he blamed for the entire thing! (Exhales)
Posted by St Jean The Baptiste
Laredo, TX
Member since Aug 2015
5828 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:32 am to
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To their credit, beat up on bad Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee and Florida teams like they should have done


Florida and Auburn were really good in 2011. Why would you lump them into the same category as Tennessee and Kentucky?

Les Miles put together an awesome team in 2011 and would have won a Natty had it not been for a crazy Iowa State upset over Okie State.

Is your narrative...CEO > CLM?

If so, this is the wrong way to go about it.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19352 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:34 am to
Glad I gave you the 179th downvote of this POS post. Gonna go out on a limb here and encourage you to stop talking so much in your private and personal life and listen to others.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 11:35 am
Posted by Walnut
College Station, TX
Member since Nov 2014
3555 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:34 am to
What I’m getting from this is that you think one of our all-time great defenses was completely luck, and that +4 turnover ratios just happen on their own

Please don’t post ever again
Posted by southdowns84
Member since Dec 2009
1447 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:34 am to
Yikes.
Posted by LSUFAN2
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2011
2430 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:38 am to
Some people will cut their nose off in spite of their face.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
21782 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

the lynchpin to 2011's success was a generational talent in Mathieu



Now do 2019


Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:05 pm to
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Florida and Auburn were really good in 2011. Why would you lump them into the same category as Tennessee and Kentucky?

Florida was 7-6 and Auburn was 8-5 (maybe the worst 8-5 team I've ever seen, they lost as much production from 2010 as LSU did from 2019)
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