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Posted on 7/20/19 at 1:21 pm to chRxis
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David Ducre
stuck it out all 4 years actually
Posted on 7/20/19 at 1:26 pm to tFearIsReal
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Layton Garnett was a walk-on.
i included him b/c 247 has him listed in the class with an indicator as "signed"... he was a preferred walk on, i know, but still, technically, when using 247 as a reference, which is what everyone seems to be doing, a part of that class...
you can disregard him, all the same... the point remains that we didn't have an absurd amount of transfers, thus far from the 2018 class, vs. typical class attrition... that's all i'm trying to say...
Posted on 7/20/19 at 1:29 pm to ATLTiger
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David Ducre
stuck it out all 4 years actually
for some reason, i remember him transferring as a graduate to SELA... i was mistaken, thanks for pointing that out...
however, even taking him off, still a larger # of transfers from that class vs. the 2018 class that is the point of the thread...
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 4:11 pm to chRxis
How many of those transferred within one year of signing like the 2018 class?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 4:53 pm to Damone
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How many of those transferred within one year of signing like the 2018 class?
Why? Are you worried about Ja'Marr Chase, Jeaux Burreaux, Cole Tracy, Avery Atkins, Terrace Marshall, Chasen Hines57, Micah Baskerville, Damien Lewis, Badara Traore, Chris Curry, Damone Clark, jaray Jenkins, Nelson Jenkins, Kenan Jones, Dare Rosenthal, Jarell Cherry, etc, etc, etc, transferring?
I think they are all good. How about the 2010, 2013, 2014 and 2015 classes? Did they lose any players? List the players that stayed from those classes. It will be a hell of a lot quicker than listing the players who left. Thanks in advance!!!
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:05 pm to rjokerlsu
They havn't even started practice yet have they? Seems very short sighted to try and transfer out just prior to his sophomore season. Anyone can go down at anytime or he could easily elevate his game between now and the end of the season. Hell he has 3 more years to show out even if he doesn't start this year.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 3:11 pm to Tiger Ree
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How about the 2010, 2013, 2014 and 2015 classes? Did they lose any players? List the players that stayed from those classes. It will be a hell of a lot quicker than listing the players who left. Thanks in advance!!!
Those classes sucked, and LSU football averaged about third or fourth place in the SEC West. Why are you using those classes as a bar to judge 2018?
The fact is that we did not have a championship level class in 2018. If we win one this year it will be mostly because of the classes that came before 2018 and the players, from which, who were convinced to remain for their senior years.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 7:24 am to Tiger Ree
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Why? Are you worried about Ja'Marr Chase, Jeaux Burreaux, Cole Tracy, Avery Atkins, Terrace Marshall, Chasen Hines57, Micah Baskerville, Damien Lewis, Badara Traore, Chris Curry, Damone Clark, jaray Jenkins, Nelson Jenkins, Kenan Jones, Dare Rosenthal, Jarell Cherry, etc, etc, etc, transferring?
the data posted in this thread shows clearly it's very likely a chunk of them do transfer
the problem is you're assuming this outlier event (losing 1/3 of our class after 1 year) accounts for the typical transfer behavior of classes
we're likely going to experience normal attrition AFTER the outlier event. that's the issue
Posted on 7/22/19 at 7:26 am to Tiger Ree
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How about the 2010, 2013, 2014 and 2015 classes?
what does this matter? you think Les Miles got fired because the fanbase was happy?
also, those classes started out from a MUCH higher place than 2018, which was mediocre-bad for modern LSU
Posted on 7/22/19 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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also, those classes started out from a MUCH higher place than 2018, which was mediocre-bad for modern LSU
And the 2018 class, in its one year on campus, has provided a starting QB, two starting WR, three Olinemen who started, a starting FG kicker and a starting kick-off guy.
In addition LSU had four true freshmen, besides any mentioned above, who played so much they burned their redshirt.
Doesn't sound like a "mediocre-bad for modern LSU" class to me.
Eight starters in the first year is not mediocre for anyone who follows college football and recruiting.
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:22 am to Tiger Ree
Burrow, Tracy, and Alexander were not a part of the 2018 recruiting class. They were transfers into the program.
The reason they became part of the program was in large part due to the fact that the class was so poor that LSU's coaches realized they would be better off not even signing a full class that year and rolling the dice with transfers instead.
To O's credit...getting Burrow and Tracy were huge for his tenure and the program. Burrow in particular, in my opinion, has been the most important add of the O era.
The point of my posts was about the HS kids that were recruited as part of the traditional signing class that year being well below LSU's standards...and they were if going by 247 composite recruiting rankings.
I will post a comparison later when I have more time.
The reason they became part of the program was in large part due to the fact that the class was so poor that LSU's coaches realized they would be better off not even signing a full class that year and rolling the dice with transfers instead.
To O's credit...getting Burrow and Tracy were huge for his tenure and the program. Burrow in particular, in my opinion, has been the most important add of the O era.
The point of my posts was about the HS kids that were recruited as part of the traditional signing class that year being well below LSU's standards...and they were if going by 247 composite recruiting rankings.
I will post a comparison later when I have more time.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:25 am to SoloTiger
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Burrow, Tracy, and Alexander were not a part of the 2018 recruiting class.
Go ahead and save yourself, Ree is an idiot and continues to lump them in despite direct links he's seen to the recruiting class and rankings on 247 which DO NOT include transfers for 2018. Literally everyone is talking about the incoming freshmen and JUCOs while he continues to lump Burrow, Tracy and Alexander in despite everyone saying they are SEPARATE as transfers from the recruiting class.
In the end, you know it's not a good class when he has to damage control with transfers. Otherwise he would just actually refer to the recruiting class.
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/22/19 at 11:17 am to thunderbird1100
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Go ahead and save yourself, Ree is an idiot and continues to lump them in despite direct links he's seen to the recruiting class and rankings on 247 which DO NOT include transfers for 2018
And you have had the opportunity to see this 247 article that does include transfers as being in the class. Avery Atkins was a walk-on was he not in the 2018 class? 247 says he was but he is not on the commit list that only counts towards rankings.
LSU's 2018 class exceeding expectations?
Then, Ohio State graduate transfer quarterback Joe Burrow "signed" with the Tigers.
This 247 article about the 2018 signing class mentions Jeaux Burreaux six times and Cole Tracy four times. Why is that?
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Literally everyone is talking about the incoming freshmen and JUCOs while he continues to lump Burrow
Who is this everyone?
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continues to lump Burrow, Tracy and Alexander in despite everyone saying they are SEPARATE as transfers from the recruiting class
As doest 24/7. The recruiting site who published the article linked above. They may not count towards the ranking but they definitely signed with LSU for the 2018 class - the real class that showed up on campus and played football for LSU - not the OMG who was the highest rated recruiting class based on mythological player rankings.
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In the end, you know it's not a good class when he has to damage control with transfers. Otherwise he would just actually refer to the recruiting class.
Does Avery Atkins - LSU's starting kick-off guy count or really even exist? He was a walk-on in 2018 and as you have pointed out is not on the 247 recruiting ranking list for LSU. I guess he is a figment of "everyone's" imagination.
So if you take out the imaginary players who signed with the LSU 2018 class and started but don't really exist you still have five starters and four other players who burned their redshirts.
For comparison, Clemson who had the #7 ranked class had two players from 2018 that started in games this past season. One was Trevor Lawrence the other was their kick-off guy.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 11:39 am to Tiger Ree
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And you have had the opportunity to see this 247 article that does include transfers as being in the class. Avery Atkins was a walk-on was he not in the 2018 class? 247 says he was but he is not on the commit list that only counts towards rankings.
LSU's 2018 class exceeding expectations?
It never once says Burrow, Tracy and Alexander were a part of the "RECRUITING CLASS". It even says once the dust settled on the recruiting class, they went to the TRANSFER marker. Again, because they weren't part of:
These 22 guys counted:
LINK /
No Burrow, Tracy or Alexander
Sorry you seem unable to accept this concept that transfers technically are NOT part of a RATED recruiting class. Once again, you're further proving yourself in pure damage controlling for what was an underwhelming recruiting class which literally everyone but yourself if talking about this entire thread. If you want to join in the conversation about our actual recruiting class that was ranked 15, let us know.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 11:41 am to Tiger Ree
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Does Avery Atkins - LSU's starting kick-off guy count or really even exist?
He's not a part of the recruiting class that gets ranked by the services, do I need to link that up for 6th time this thread so you understand what everyone is talking about? Or are you just going to counter with 1 random article that still doesnt prove anything you're saying. Burrow, Tracy, Alexander, Atkins, your grandma, NONE OF THESE COUNT IN A RECRUITING CLASS. Hence why I continue to link that for you. They are separate pieces to that as transfers and walk ons. Nobody is saying they dont exist, merely they do not make up what gets actually ranked and the bulk of our entire team.
The fact you are tangent-ing off into transfers and walk on kick off guys just continues to show the class is really weak since you cant simply discuss what everyone is talking about.
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 11:43 am
Posted on 7/22/19 at 11:59 am to Tiger Ree
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Doesn't sound like a "mediocre-bad for modern LSU" class to me.
It's literally mediocre for modern (2012 to 2018) LSU. That is to say, it is average for LSU during that time period.
Ree, You look at that and argue that it is fine. I look at that and argue that it is evidence that we are not improving. After all, that kind of performance is why we fired Miles.
In point of fact, I DO think we're improving. And there is ample evidence that we are: the 2019 and 2020 classes; losing only three games last year with only one embarrassment; efforts to improve the offensive staff; and stemming the trend of juniors leaving for the NFL are all evidence of improvement. The 2018 class is evidence of stagnation. You should admit this one setback among several advances and move on.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:13 pm to Penrod
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The 2018 class is evidence of stagnation. You should admit this one setback among several advances and move on.
He's literally never said one negative thing about the program even if it's 100% true, it aint happening
Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:14 pm to Penrod
Clearly one of these kids is doing his own thing...
247 Composite Rankings
2019
4 Top 100
12 Top 250
2018
3 Top 100
5 Top 250
2017
8 Top 100
11 Top 250
2016
6 Top 100
17 Top 250
2015
6 Top 100
12 Top 250
2014
7 Top 100
13 Top 250
2013
5 Top 100
13 Top 250
You have to go all the way back to 2012 to see a class as poorly rated by 247 as 2018.
247 Composite Rankings
2019
4 Top 100
12 Top 250
2018
3 Top 100
5 Top 250
2017
8 Top 100
11 Top 250
2016
6 Top 100
17 Top 250
2015
6 Top 100
12 Top 250
2014
7 Top 100
13 Top 250
2013
5 Top 100
13 Top 250
You have to go all the way back to 2012 to see a class as poorly rated by 247 as 2018.
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/22/19 at 12:19 pm to thunderbird1100
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It never once says Burrow, Tracy and Alexander were a part of the "RECRUITING CLASS
Why does 247 mention JB six times and Tracy four times in an article about the 2018 recruiting class?
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These 22 guys counted
And the QB, kicker, and kick-off guy are just imaginary?
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No Burrow, Tracy or Alexander
For recruiting rankings.
I saw them play football last year. They exist and signed with the 2018 class.
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Sorry you seem unable to accept this concept that transfers technically are NOT part of a RATED recruiting class
Sorry that you can't accept the concept that these players were as part of the class as the JUCO's and walk-ons but since they are already counted for another team's class years ago they are not counted for RANKING purposes. ONLY for RANKING purposes. They are on the team and play football.
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Once again, you're further proving yourself in pure damage controlling for what was an underwhelming recruiting class
247 - free article: LSU's 2018 class exceeding expectations?
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