re: With Kelvin Joseph leaving, who is left from that 2018 recruiting class contributing?

Best of luck to the young man. I hope he gets it figured out.

Kid has bigger issues than a depth chart to worry about. Just hope he gets his shite together before it's too late.

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2019 and 2020 classes are just special in comparison to it and the majority of classes we ever had.

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1. Most classes are good in comparison to 2018
2. 2019 was a great class, but not better than the majority of classes over the last 10 or so years. In fact it was about average compared to them
3. The 2020 class is not signed

Has no one explained to him that running from your problems will not solve them - football or otherwise.

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Not hardly. The "average" LSU class has a lot more Top 100 and Top 250 players

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Yes, hardly. What you describe the class as:


had a few elite guys, a few solid guys, and a bunch of meh.


Is exactly what a usual class at LSU looks like

Wrong as usual man.

But don’t bother looking up other recent LSU classes that typically have around twice the Top 100/Top 250 players in it.

I don’t respect you enough to do it for you.

Ahhh...time to move the goalposts.

You must have looked them up.

Don't ever change man...don't ever change.

You can use recruiting rankings or look back after it is all said and done and the result will be the same. It will prove to be one of the weakest classes in recent memory. It's already 1/3 gone for crying out loud after 1 year.

But keep on calling it a typical or average LSU class if that makes you feel better.

Baskerville- starting LB, with lots of experience on the field already...
Rosenthal- possibly starting LT, after a successful change of lines...
Clark- will figure heavily into the rotation at LB
Hines- possible starter at OG
Chase- starting WR, with the best hands on the team...
Marshall- will factor into our revamped passing game tremendously this season as our #3 WR

Joseph came into a loaded DB group... not a huge loss here, since he was passed up on the depth chart anyway...
Cotton is an undersized DT that couldn't get into the rotation and was unwilling to wait, probably b/c he knew we'd have some serious talent at the position in the next cycle to compete with...
Smith is behind a guy that's going to start for another 2 years... losing him for depth, sucks, but overall, he wants to be on the field now, and that's not gonna happen here, and i understand him leaving for a chance to play now...
Livingston was a project 3 star, who would never see the field... even from a depth perspective, not a huge loss...
Sheffer, the TE, yeah, he wasn't worth the offer in the first damn place...
Provens could have possibly become a player, but who it wasn't a given... again, not a huge loss...
Dantrieze Scott was just a freak athlete that everyone got all enamored with b/c of what Aranda said about his athletic ability... he just couldn't get the playbook/assignments down to see the field... can't use a guy like that, other than maybe special teams...

so 6 starters/solid contributors, 6 transfers... the others are all still with the team and coming into their own... maybe they'll contribute, maybe they won't, but i'll take them, since they want to be here and they are willing to put in the work to try to contribute, rather than giving up for greener pastures...

i wish nothing but the best to the guys who leave... it would be hypocrisy at it's finest to not, considering we have gotten talented transfers ourselves, so i'm not gonna shite on guys b/c they chose another route... but in the end, the only one that even remotely "hurts" was Smith, and that's only from a depth point of view...

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1. Most classes are good in comparison to 2018
2. 2019 was a great class, but not better than the majority of classes over the last 10 or so years. In fact it was about average compared to them
3. The 2020 class is not signed

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Of course, this is how shallow thinkers would think.

The fact is that LM was a great recruiter, but he didn't always recruit needs. Especially towards the end where we began to have depth problems all over the place.

More notably, you can sign the greatest classes ever, but if you are running the same 5 plays over and over, and you aren't able to get top level QB's in your program.... great recruiting classes mean nothing.

Furthermore, O was facing a lot of headwinds early on amongst our fanbace, other coaches negative recruiting, our insanely horrible QB culture, you name it. All of this information was being used against us. Now, the headwinds aren't as strong, he's made a lot of positive changes, he's had success, and it's getting easier for him to do what he does well... all because he's earned the trust.

I don't think the future of LSU has ever been brighter. The primary reason he was the better hire (over Fisher) was because he has failed, learned from it, and he's hungry.