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re: Will Redmond, LSU personnel director, started following some new portal players on Twitter
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:31 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:31 am to Bjorn Cyborg
All you jackass “true fans” keep bringing up a needle in the haystack. The proof is in the pudding. It didn’t workout so well for us last year. UGA isn’t loaded with transfers from Bucknell and South East Bumble Frick State. Neither is Bama, Michigan or Washington. Yes, FSU got lucky on one. Congrats to them! But it’s simply not a recipe for success in this league. People claiming Zye was a good find simply because he was starter are the ones apparently not watching the games.
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:47 am to TigahTeeth
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UGA isn’t loaded with transfers from Bucknell and South East Bumble Frick State. Neither is Bama, Michigan or Washington.
Georgia and Alabama don't take many portal players because they don't have to. They are also established programs with long-term head coaches. LSU is not to that point yet.
But Alabama took players from ULL and UAB, Washington took a transfer from Cal-Polytechnic last year and Michigan took a player from UMass.
The top player in the portal last year and this year (so far) are former FCS players.
Also in last year's cycle: Oregon took a Rhode Island player, Penn State took a Kent State player, Florida State took a player from Shorter College.
Maybe you should get out more. These players have college film. Their high school rating is no longer relevant. P5 scouting departments are there to locate these underrated players.
I take your comments to mean you don't understand how the portal works.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:02 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Sure it happens, but where are you putting the highest likelihood of success?
SEC 367 24.42%
Big Ten 288 19.16%
ACC 213 14.17%
Pac-12 178 11.84%
Big 12 175 11.64%
Mounta 61 4.06%
America 47 3.13%
SB 45 2.99%
Ind 42 2.79%
Big 12 32 2.13%
MAC 27 1.80%
C-USA 24 1.60%
Americ 4 0.27%
SEC 367 24.42%
Big Ten 288 19.16%
ACC 213 14.17%
Pac-12 178 11.84%
Big 12 175 11.64%
Mounta 61 4.06%
America 47 3.13%
SB 45 2.99%
Ind 42 2.79%
Big 12 32 2.13%
MAC 27 1.80%
C-USA 24 1.60%
Americ 4 0.27%
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:09 am to FCarole
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Sure it happens, but where are you putting the highest likelihood of success?
Couple of things:
1. Teams are not just drawing names out of a hat and hoping one hits. They are scouting college film and looking for under-rated players, so your percentages are irrelevant. They are not blindly taking random FCS/G5 players.
2. Elite P5 players aren't transferring much, unless they have been beaten out or there is perhaps a coaching change. There are good players, but they have issues as well. FCS and G5 players are looking to move up to the P5, so finding elite players at that level - which do exist - expands the field of available players.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:22 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Championing every decision the coaching staff makes dooms you a “real fan.” It makes you an accessory to the downfall of the program. Saban doesn’t need portal players because demands success and top players are drawn to that. I’m not saying I’m not a fan of BK, because I was and still am on board with him being the head coach. Crossing your fingers and hoping that a player from Presbyterian Community College is going to be the next Verse is simply settling. By the way, what was the production of the example players you mentioned?
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:29 am to TigahTeeth
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Championing every decision the coaching staff makes dooms you a “real fan.” It makes you an accessory to the downfall of the program. Saban doesn’t need portal players because demands success and top players are drawn to that. I’m not saying I’m not a fan of BK, because I was and still am on board with him being the head coach. Crossing your fingers and hoping that a player from Presbyterian Community College is going to be the next Verse is simply settling. By the way, what was the production of the example players you mentioned?
I'm not championing anything. This is more about the portal than about LSU specifically. Every player listed in the original post will have a chance to go to a P5 program. Will LSU offer them all? No. But they are being scouted and could be offered.
Your issue seems to be that you don't think elite players exist at the lower levels, and that's just not true. And hasn't been true for 60 years.
Missouri running back Cody Schrader led the SEC in rushing and is a Division 2 transfer.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:41 am to TigahTeeth
You act as if these are the only players we are even attempting to recruit. Get a god damn grip on yourself. We are looking for one, maybe 2 players to fill specific roles and frankly, yes, you can absolutely get a player from any of these teams listed that can fill that role adequately. Not every player on your team has to be the best out there at their position. You bring up Georgia and Bama as examples. Ok. The QB position is the most important position in football. Georgia won 2 championships with an average at best QB (he damn sure wasn’t the best out there by far). Bama is in the playoffs this year with a lackluster QB. There were far better QBs in lower divisions all 3 of those years than either of the 2 QBs I’m referencing. So stop pretending you can’t fill holes with less than the top rated players and stil be competitive. You would rather win the recruiting championship (fat lot of good that’s done A&M) instead of actual championships.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:43 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I know they exist, I have zero issues with getting guys from the portal. I know “diamonds in the rough” exist. Sean Peyton made a nice career out of them. My original post was meant to be a joke. But, I’m not excited about having to hope these low level players are able to compete in the SEC. The more they don’t, the farther down the totem pole we fall.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:46 am to TigahTeeth
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But, I’m not excited about having to hope these low level players are able to compete in the SEC
Again, you act like our team is going to just have these players on it. That’s just not the reality. We may pick up 2 at the most and likely just one. The sky is not falling because we take a “lower level player we believe has potential” even if that player turns out to be garbage.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:53 am to TigahTeeth
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All you jackass “true fans” keep bringing up a needle in the haystack. The proof is in the pudding. It didn’t workout so well for us last year. UGA isn’t loaded with transfers from Bucknell and South East Bumble Frick State. Neither is Bama, Michigan or Washington. Yes, FSU got lucky on one. Congrats to them! But it’s simply not a recipe for success in this league. People claiming Zye was a good find simply because he was starter are the ones apparently not watching the games.
LSU had transfers from
Ohio st
Texas A&M
Alabama
Notre dame
Oregon
Syracuse
Oregon st
Texas
Florida
west virgina
Arizona
Y’all act like every transfer comes from DeVry. Do some homework
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:54 am to J2thaROC
You’re right. If “a” player doesn’t pan out then it’s not a big deal. But Alexander, Harris, Chestnut and Speights were huge misses. Lacey has potential and huge upside, but even he has had a lot of errors.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:54 am to Lester Earl
But TigahTeeth isn't excited about it, Lester.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:56 am to TigahTeeth
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But Alexander, Harris, Chestnut and Speights were huge misses
3 of 4 were from Power 5 programs. Alexander, from FCS, was the best of the 4.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:59 am to Lester Earl
I was just about to edit my post about realizing the fact that we got guys from bigger schools also.
Again, my original post was just a joke. But I stand by my belief that we can’t live off of portal guys looking for a second chance and hoping they all turnout like Burrow, Daniels or Verse.
Again, my original post was just a joke. But I stand by my belief that we can’t live off of portal guys looking for a second chance and hoping they all turnout like Burrow, Daniels or Verse.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:12 am to TigahTeeth
They don’t want to live off portal guys. But they needed mature, experienced players to fill holes the last two years.
I think as the transfer portal ages, schools will get better with scouting players already in college.
I think as the transfer portal ages, schools will get better with scouting players already in college.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:54 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Georgia and Alabama don't take many portal players because they don't have to. They are also established programs with long-term head coaches. LSU is not to that point yet. But Alabama took players from ULL and UAB, Washington took a transfer from Cal-Polytechnic last year and Michigan took a player from UMass. The top player in the portal last year and this year (so far) are former FCS players. Also in last year's cycle: Oregon took a Rhode Island player, Penn State took a Kent State player, Florida State took a player from Shorter College. Maybe you should get out more. These players have college film. Their high school rating is no longer relevant. P5 scouting departments are there to locate these underrated players. I take your comments to mean you don't understand how the portal works.
Nicely researched. And you took that casual to the fricking woodshed. He needs to head back to the sidewalk and stay there
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:03 pm to Lester Earl
Most transfers are kids that fell down the depth chart, obviously there are exceptions. We'll see how it goes next season.
How many kids are in the portal so far, 1k plus?
How many kids are in the portal so far, 1k plus?
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:09 pm to Lester Earl
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I think as the transfer portal ages, schools will get better with scouting players already in college.
I think it will largely be a few buckets of players that will be the primary portal guys (QBs excluded because they're their own thing).
You'll have the highly productive freshmen looking to move up, and a lot of their value will be tied to the NCAA upholding the denials on second transfers.
You'll have the sophomores looking to feature on a big stage in their money year.
And you'll have the redshirt senior or grad transfer that helps supplement depth.
Coaching changes kind of throw those out the window, but by and large that will help streamline the scouting.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:24 pm to Old Money
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Most transfers are kids that fell down the depth chart, obviously there are exceptions.
In the P5, this is accurate. In the FCS and G5, there are a lot of players that outplayed their ranking and are looking to move up.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 3:19 pm to BigWinnie
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