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Why Coach O is here until after 2020 season at least

Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:24 pm
Posted by HighlandRD_ZERO25
Member since Jun 2016
622 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:24 pm
Some will scoff at this notion and point to how a single recruiting class does not make or break a program. How keeping a coach is about more than simply the players he has or the furture players he will bring in. And even if you get past those points some will say that due to this past classes shortcomings that there is nowhere near a guarantee that Ed brings in a top class next season despite initial returns and future projections. Heck, Surtain was a "lock" for nearly two years up until two weeks ago right? So was Dylan Moses with Les Miles...but Moses who yes...would've come here and played for Miles, and I do not care what your opinion is on that since I went to Uhigh and graduated mid 2000s and have enough knowledge to say this...but that's the point. Moses would've come here in Les Miles was retained. But his passing us by went hand in hand with program instability with miles and his future. The De-commitment came because of 2015s firing rumblings and he even said after miles was retained that was something invaluable for LSU being able to land him.

Which brings me to my point. The Louisiana class of 2019 is nearly the most top heavy its ever been. The amount of just highly ranked Baton Rouge players is enough that even landing a good portion of them and missing on a few is something that does a few things. It re-establishes the faith in LSU's own city that the program is still viable and moving in the right direction. It also shows the national programs who might take advantage of this decline that we are at least still a factor.

The number of state blue chip prospects and the overwhelming number of national elite recruits who have LSU near the top or their favorite is astounding even for the history we have with the 2019 class. We're talking two consensus top 3 running backs. A host of five star and high 4 star offensive and defensive lineman. Skill guys at every possible position with top 3 position players in Baton Rouge's own high schools. Derek Stingley being the prime example. And if coach O gets fired following next season like so many now believe and want to see happen. Guess what happens to probably 80% of those kids....they go somewhere else. The 2019 class more than ever is a beacon of the stability of the LSU brand as still among the best in major college football. And if you think the administration doesn't see that and remember what happened with Moses and many others after Miles then you aren't seeing the whole picture.

Ed Orgeron is not near the first or even fifth choice I wanted as head coach. I thought it was a mistake and that it would haunt us on field. Even in recruiting I knew it was Les Miles who connected with the players involved in recruiting more so than Ed ever was on staff and his so called prowess as a recruiter was far bloated. And we just saw the proof on Wednesday. But the 2019 class is different. Stingley isn't from Florida and has an All pro for a father. Kardell Thomas has solidified his own word and even bashed those who aren't as solid as him.

That's a top 15 prospect saying "I'm with Coach O no matter what". The class will be among the top 5 and will be good enough to make a run at a title in their time. It's not a very bold prediction... The chances of having over 5 top 30 overall players is there and that's nearly accomplished by just the instate guys. Expand that number to 50 and it is done by LA kids. Expand that number to top 100 and add national players and the likelihood of having 15 prospects within that number is not just possible it's almost assuredly going to happen. But coach O must remain until their freshmen season. 2020 will determine Ed and his real future. Think I'm just stretching or not really seeing things right? Then go back and look at the timelines of lost recruits from 2015 to after miles was fired. We lost Moses when the position group had two starting spots open...We had to flip 3 linebackers in the last month or so to fill out the group. And we barely did that. Think the staff didn't promise the world to them? Devin Whites emergence is the only thing that saved us in the second level. It's also why those players didn't really play much.

The other thing is what would the roster and perception of the program look like if Ed is fired after two full seasons. Jimbo is at A&M...and no other head coach really is any good with LSU ties. They wouldn't give Aranda control with no experience. The young offensive guys basically all just got power 5 gigs. And we're not luring some big fish at another place here. We'd be in the boat like we were after Saban left. A bunch of unproven guys with little success at big time schools. We'd end up with a middle to bottom feeding programs HC that we'd hope to God could bring us back to the level Saban left us at and that miles maintained for over a decade. Which is way higher that where we fell after miles left. Wanna know what it feels like to be back in the pre Dinardo days? Then fire Ed Orgeron before he brings in the 2019 class that will at the very least have to stay even if Ed is fired a year later. I wrote a topic earlier in the week about the Golden Era of Louisiana sports being about to expire....my point then as it is now is that from the late 60s to the late 90s LSU football was a joke. Coach after coach both big name and new fish were awful. Things happened where coaches thought to be saviors with big track records never made it here after literally being on the plane ride over. Curly Hallman was your winningest coach and we know what he was here. There is a reason Les Miles won so many games. Competed for titles and at the very least never won fewer that 8 games. The streak of regular season non conference wins and bowl appearances. The players that are currently superstars in the NFL all contributing to the years of national relevance. Pure numbers say we should be having years upon years of national obscurity being normal. We won a national title once in program history. Then 2003 happened and then 2007. We played for and lost another. And all this made us forget who and what we were before saban and since before bear Bryant was around the SEC. We were a doormat for better more prestigious programs. Want to be that again? Then fire O before the class that would return us to a power is here in Fall 2019.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 6:27 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66035 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:24 pm to
That’s an incredible amount of text.

He won’t be here until after 2020
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66035 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:27 pm to
quote:

And if coach O gets fired following next season like so many now believe and want to see happen. Guess what happens to probably 80% of those kids....they go somewhere else. T


Get real
80% don’t go elsewhere if O is fired.

LSU while still established recruits itself, but that will fade as we lose more.

The whole reason for hiring O was to keep the recruiting class in tact which is such a crock of crap. I am sick of keeping a coach around worried about recruiting.

Here’s a solution.. how about hire an x and o’s HC who can actually maximize the talent he has instead of an idiot?
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 6:29 pm
Posted by Stephen1979
Member since Oct 2016
5754 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:38 pm to
Disagree. If the season plays out like many expect, having a lame duck coach is of no recruiting advantage. The negativity of another disappointing season plus the certainty of Oregeron's imminent termination will cost us much of next years class anyway. Hell two years in a row he's lost guys who were thought to be locks since their sophomore years in high school so I don't understand all the optimism that he's gonna suddenly turn it up a notch and bring in all those recruits
Posted by jmon
Mandeville, LA
Member since Oct 2010
8419 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:58 pm to
By the time I finish reading that it’ll be 2021
Posted by Bottom9
Arsenal Til I Die
Member since Jul 2010
21752 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:59 pm to
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The Louisiana class of 2019 is nearly the most top heavy its ever been.


Tbh I don't even trust O to lock down the state in 2019. There are a whole bunch of prospects in the state with heavy out of state interest next year. I just don't that O with it. He is not an elite recruiter as a head coach at all.

The melt will be real if guys like Rosenthal, Lee, and others go out of state. Yes Kardell Thomas is a good get but we need more. O failed to get Etienne here, Chris Allen, Justin Rogers, Davonte Smith, Mathis.

Teams will continue to negatively recruit and point to Os incompetence. He simply hasn't finished well with certain key elite prospects and it's writer how some are dismissing that but will then complain about lack of depth at those positions.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 7:01 pm
Posted by higgins
flowery branch, ga
Member since Dec 2009
7918 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:01 pm to
IM OUT
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34329 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:08 pm to
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24423 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:26 pm to
quote:

I don't even trust O to lock down the state in 2019. There are a whole bunch of prospects in the state with heavy out of state interest next year. I just don't that O with it. He is not an elite recruiter as a head coach at all.

Completely right.
I said this yesterday, Saban has lots of extra room to back calculate to 2019. Then there’s everybody else picking and choosing.
If you don’t think Jimbo won’t be here, you’re stupid. He has a distinct advantage in that College Station isn’t all that far.

It is over before it starts..
2 think in terms of Strategy, Orgeron just thinks. It’s like watching a 3 year old playing a chess master. No competition.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
29143 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:33 pm to
TLDR. I don’t believe O is our coach a year from now.
Posted by Humanelement
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
1366 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:34 pm to
Blah,blah,blah bull shite. Les Miles was a joke whom should have won 4 NC’s with the talent he had and was a complete bafoon simple and plain and that is verified by all the job offers he had since being dismissed by LSU. He dam near distroyed this program, one that Ed Orgeron is trying to rebuild. Was he my pick he’ll no, but he’s our coach. Miles was let go because he was and is a fool.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 7:36 pm
Posted by Bige11
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2014
1511 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:55 pm to
While firing O sounds like a good plan, if we don’t have a home run hire to take his place it will only get worse.
Posted by Stephen1979
Member since Oct 2016
5754 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 8:00 pm to
PJ Fleck would be a grand slam
Posted by tigerborderjumper
Member since Sep 2014
2656 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:32 pm to
In many ways, 2018 might turn out to be the make or break season for O. The class of 2019 might be someone else's responsibility to hold and sign.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26664 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:16 pm to
quote:

While firing O sounds like a good plan, if we don’t have a home run hire to take his place it will only get worse.



Go after Mike Norvell. Memphis head coach and runs as much or more than he passes, which is a lot. He's young too (36 right now). Will go in his third year at Memphis in 2018. Has ran a high powered passing game everywhere he has coached. At Arizona St and Memphis, he has run very explosive offenses with dual threats and pro style passers.

He will make only a 100k than Aranda will make over the next 5 years with his new contract, and his buyout has been kept at 500k for his new 5 year deal. Four of his assistants were hired at SEC schools after the 2017 year.

LSU just locked in the best WR haul in the country and he was a former WR. We have Brennan, Narcisse, and we have the possibility to bring in a 5 star OL, and 3 top 15 RBs including two of the top 5 (I think Emery should be a 5 star, but whatever) when it's finished.

We likely could have gotten Fuente had we fired Miles after 2015, or Dan Mullen after 2016. If LSU doesn't get him after 2018, he's going to be scooped up by some other lucky bastards. We are going to regret again not being proactive.
Posted by EXPLAYER
Member since Jul 2017
10786 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:39 pm to
Damm LSU needs to hire you guys. Problem solved.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
7037 posts
Posted on 2/10/18 at 4:06 am to
Good thing you did not try to read it. I'm pretty sure my eyes were watering and my brain was bleeding about halfway through that ridiculous wall of drivel
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3192 posts
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:17 am to
quote:

O


quote:

home run hire


One is not like the other
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5024 posts
Posted on 2/10/18 at 7:41 am to
Yea Kiffin or Fuente or Neal Brown wouldn’t come here
Posted by mikeytig
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
7079 posts
Posted on 2/10/18 at 10:12 am to
Alleva will go before Coach O.
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