re: When are we going to start bringing in some DEs and OTs?

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We need to fill our offensive and defensive line with 4/5 star monsters two and three deep on the depth chart.

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We already have that.

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huh, you need to look at the depth chart, especially the OL, and correlate that with recruit rankings, I think you would be surprised. WE are making up some ground but still have a ways to go.

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Dude, these dipshits aren't part of LSU's fanbase.

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Gumpnecks have internet access also. Not only Ukrainian and Kazakhstan bots but there is that spam server farm in Indonesia and the Romanians are good at it too. The Crimson shadow program have long arms and many henchmen. I wonder if they pay the students in their shadow internet program by the post or word. hmmmmmmm....

They are, in base. The newer variations have gone to quicker, athletic NTs and the ability to pressure with a 4 down line. By newer I mean Bama who does it best. The difference is that they can pressure with 4 down and not bringing extra guys. When they do blitzing they can be beaten in the back end. 4 man rush means fewer in protection and changes coverages. Arandas is not the same as Bamas and by no means do I know better than Aranda but Saban and crew have dominate defenses up front even through staff and personnel changes so take notes.

IMO between DE, NT, DE/DTs and OLBs, we need to bring in 6-8 kids next class. 3-5 DE types with a couple that can move inside, a true nose and 3-4 OLBs with a couple of pure edge guys and a couple versatile enough to move around. Add in 4-5 OL and that's half the class. 2 QBs and 2-3 S and that leaves about 8 spots for skill positions, CB and ILB. Works for me.

You are right that bama recruits better athletes than everyone else as they generally have the #1 ranked class by a large margin.. That is the point in that we and everyone else are trying to close that gap

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I don’t see a future left tackle in this class

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Aren't they talking about Turner being athletic enough to play LT? Hopefully Parker makes it to campus, too. I was really disappointed to see he wasn't going to sign in December.

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Now, after a year where our OL (particularly our OTs) vastly under performed, we only bring in 1 legitimate OT.

I think it is absolutely a fair question and it's an issue that needs to be addressed.

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Recruiting offensive lines is kind of a crap shoot. It's all about evaluations and quantity. Last year, we brought in 3 legit OT prospects. Two years ago, we brought in 2 and one was top 10. This year, we have maybe 2, depending on how you feel about Turner and possibly 3 if Parker makes it to campus.

Here is a list of the 2017 All-American offensive linemen and their 247 composite rating. As you can see, All-Americans come from everywhere. Only 3 of those guys were top 10 at their position coming out of high school.

0.8144 Beau Benzschawel
0.8731 Orlando Brown
0.86 David Edwards
Unrated Will Hernandez
0.9897 Mitch Hyatt
0.928 Mike McGlinchey
0.9707 Quenton Nelson
0.8361 Cody O'Connell
0.8547 Chukwuma Okorafor
0.9165 Billy Price
0.8913 Frank Ragnow
0.9699 Braden Smith

We just need to get the best 4-6 guys we can get every year and develop them into quality players, and not worry so much about their recruiting rating.

Bring this to the Rant where everyone hates O. Recruiting board is for actual information and positive LSU things.

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Perhaps. IMO we have fallen behind in strength quickness and explosion.

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yes, recruiting better players is important. it looks like that is what Orgeron is trying to do with his recruiting classes while Miles was seeking out the weeker, slower, less explosive players to recruit in his classes. Good thing that those 'in the know' fans know that bigger stronger faster is better to recruit than the smaller weeker slower ones

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It seems like coach O said just that in a speech before the season started. That being said Moffit may need to tweak his conditioning program.

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It is about to come front and center in this offseason.

Not just Moffit either. Position coaches and their role in S&C in the offseason also.

NOT saying Moffit firing is imminent, but there has to be a firm plan that follows a re-visited strategy and exactly what the plan is. Anyone who thinks the 'old ways' of doing things is at risk.

You win the season in the offseason- and that is especially true in CFB because it includes recruiting with S&C.

The think to remember, they are co-dependent somewhat. One big draw to a school (recruiting pitch and/or factor) is how good the nutrition, medical, and S&C program is.

We all reference the downward spiral of wins vs. recruiting. Insert as part of that spiral S&C

Instead of lose games -> worse recruiting look at it this way:
poor S&C -> lose games -> bad S&C program -> lose recruits.

There probably isn't a single 5* out there that isn't a gym rat to some degree. They know what the combine drills are. It is important- the perception of the S&C and the real world results.