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We need contracts in college sports
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:42 am
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:42 am
It is time to change commitments to legally bounded contracts. Forget signing periods. Forget NSD.
When a school and a player agree to terms. Sign it and hold each end accountable to its completion. Let the players work deals until both parties are satisfied and let contract law take care of the rest.
When a school and a player agree to terms. Sign it and hold each end accountable to its completion. Let the players work deals until both parties are satisfied and let contract law take care of the rest.
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Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:44 am to Safety Blitz
easier said than done unfortunately
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:50 am to Safety Blitz
Need a salary cap— somehow.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:50 am to Safety Blitz
Give it time. NIL and the like is more fluid today than it’s ever been.
When these kids start suing the schools and collectives over things like licensing, endorsement obligations, disability, unemployment, overtime, etc, etc, etc, then changes will come and come quickly.
The right person hasn’t been sued yet.
Patience Daniel-son.
When these kids start suing the schools and collectives over things like licensing, endorsement obligations, disability, unemployment, overtime, etc, etc, etc, then changes will come and come quickly.
The right person hasn’t been sued yet.
Patience Daniel-son.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:51 am to Safety Blitz
That would require collective bargaining. Otherwise it’s no better than what we have today.
Implemented as you suggest, even if a kid signs a contract, what’s to stop an “unaffiliated” party from coming in and offering additional money?
Implemented as you suggest, even if a kid signs a contract, what’s to stop an “unaffiliated” party from coming in and offering additional money?
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:51 am to Safety Blitz
Coaches have contracts right now. Does that keep them from moving to the highest bidder? NFL players have contracts. Does that keep them from forcing trades or sitting out? Most intelligent people knew that once you started paying players like this college sports were over.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:17 am to Safety Blitz
You don't think any contracts are signed when NIL deals are made?
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:19 am to Safety Blitz
NIL is nothing…just wait for the profit sharing fiasco.
With profit sharing, almost every single football player in the SEC will make $100k/yr.
With profit sharing, almost every single football player in the SEC will make $100k/yr.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:22 am to ryanlsu
quote:If an NFL player sits out, he doesn't get paid.
Does that keep them from forcing trades or sitting out?
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:31 am to Safety Blitz
In most leagues, there is a union that represents the players and negotiates a collective bargaining agreement with the the owners. The CBA regulates the contracts the players have with the owners.
There is nothing to stop the players from forming a union(s). There is nothing to stop the conferences and/or schools from negotiating with that union(s) to form collective bargaining agreements.
There are some problems generated by Title IX, but Title IX is statutory, so it can be altered by Congress.
So far, the pressure had not been great enough for Congress to act.
There is nothing to stop the players from forming a union(s). There is nothing to stop the conferences and/or schools from negotiating with that union(s) to form collective bargaining agreements.
There are some problems generated by Title IX, but Title IX is statutory, so it can be altered by Congress.
So far, the pressure had not been great enough for Congress to act.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:52 am to Gaston
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profit sharing, almost every single football player in the SEC will make $100k/yr.
It’s long past that level. $15M is reported NIL budgets for the top programs. You can divide that by 85 for an average pay.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:54 am to Safety Blitz
We need contracts for adults to stop bitching and complaining about these kids. If you don’t like recruiting find something else to do with your life
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:55 am to Safety Blitz
They’re 18 not 48, they’ll just either commit without signing or find a loophole to exploit
Posted on 7/5/24 at 11:10 am to Safety Blitz
quote:Legally Binding is the phrase you are looking for.
legally bounded contracts
Will one of our legal scholars on here tell me if a kid under the age of 18 can sign a legally binding document? I know it may not be as simple of their age but I thought there was some sort of limitation where that is concerned.
I really think the issue is neither NIL nor the transfer portal individually but specifically the combination of NIL and unlimited transfer options with immediate playing time.
As for commitment flops, those were happening before either NIL or the portal. I do not think LSU has been an overwhelming loser in that category, TBH. I think it is pretty close to break even.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 11:26 am to kajunman
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If an NFL player sits out, he doesn't get paid.
Yeah but 9 times out of 10 he gets his way. You think fans are pissed about entitled behavior now, wait till some kid gets 500K then has a good year and says he is going to sit out unless he gets 1 million.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 11:29 am to mdomingue
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Will one of our legal scholars on here tell me if a kid under the age of 18 can sign a legally binding document
There are situations where they can if it is related to their business. But for the most part I think these players will get emancipated and then they will be able to sign contracts. Would also be smart on the parents part to emancipate the kids as they wouldn’t be liable for their kids actions when idiots hand a 17 year old a million dollars.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 11:34 am to Safety Blitz
Never gonna happen unless the players unionize and agree to the terms. The players hold ALL of the power here. These colleges need these players far more than these players need the colleges. If all the top athletes refused to sign with colleges, that little NFL rule about not drafting out of high school would go away overnight. The ONLY reason the NFL has that rule is because colleges provide them a free “minor league” to further develop these players and the NFL isn’t going to collapse due to “lack of talented players” just because said players all of a sudden refused to attend their “free minor league”.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 11:44 am to J2thaROC
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The ONLY reason the NFL has that rule is because colleges provide them a free “minor league” to further develop these players
And the fact that 95% of 17 and 18 years olds are not even close to being physically ready to play in the NFL.
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If all the top athletes refused to sign with colleges
Then the next tier of high school athletes would sign with colleges and Tiger Stadium and Kyle Field would still be full.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 11:48 am to mdomingue
quote:Well, we're talking 50 different states with different laws, so your mileage may vary. Generally, a contract signed by a minor is voidable by the minor upon reaching adulthood. Many states have laws limiting the voidability of entertainment or sports contracts. Some states provide that court-approved NIL contracts may by voided only in limited circumstances. Some states provide that parents/guardians can sign nonvoidable NIL contracts for minors. Of course, in the case of emancipation, age is not an issue.
Will one of our legal scholars on here tell me if a kid under the age of 18 can sign a legally binding document? I know it may not be as simple of their age but I thought there was some sort of limitation where that is concerned.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 11:56 am to Salviati
quote:quote:Well, we're talking 50 different states with different laws, so your mileage may vary. Generally, a contract signed by a minor is voidable by the minor upon reaching adulthood. Many states have laws limiting the voidability of entertainment or sports contracts. Some states provide that court-approved NIL contracts may by voided only in limited circumstances. Some states provide that parents/guardians can sign nonvoidable NIL contracts for minors. Of course, in the case of emancipation, age is not an issue.
Will one of our legal scholars on here tell me if a kid under the age of 18 can sign a legally binding document? I know it may not be as simple of their age but I thought there was some sort of limitation where that is concerned.
Thank you Sal, this is kind of what I thought the case would be. My concern is that trying to do these things with binding contracts, at least for high school commitments, would be fraught with pitfalls and may limit schools in some states, maybe most, and give a significant advantage to others because the contract for one may be meaningless while the others are airtight. On the other hand, it would make sense when the player is no longer a minor.
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