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Voluntary Withdrawals
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:32 pm
I think we'll be able to sign at least 27 guys in this class due to voluntary withdrawals. The rule states that if a student athlete leaves school during the academic year, the school may give his scholarship to another student athlete for that same academic year. There's a form that the student athlete signs releasing the school from from its obligation to provide athletic aid for the remainder of the academic year.
Basically, if a guy withdraws from school and signs the voluntary withdrawal waiver, we can either use his scholarship on an incoming freshman (pretty sure they have to be an early enrollee) without that freshman counting against the 25.
We have 2 guys who for sure withdrew from school (Justin Thomas & Lanard Fournette). It sounds like Divinity is trying to stay in school, but I guess we'll see. I don't know if Dee Anderson withdrew or not.
Kelvin Joseph and Mannie Netherly both left right at the beginning of the semester, so it's unclear if they were actually enrolled and withdrew or just never enrolled at all.
I really hope we're going to start taking advantage of some of these rules as they're written. It's frustrating watching our main competitor figure this shite out, while our compliance department sits around with their thumbs up their asses and takes the easy way out (just say no to everything rather than actually work with the teams and work the angles).
Of course, I could be totally wrong and just need to get some more sleep.
Either way,
Basically, if a guy withdraws from school and signs the voluntary withdrawal waiver, we can either use his scholarship on an incoming freshman (pretty sure they have to be an early enrollee) without that freshman counting against the 25.
We have 2 guys who for sure withdrew from school (Justin Thomas & Lanard Fournette). It sounds like Divinity is trying to stay in school, but I guess we'll see. I don't know if Dee Anderson withdrew or not.
Kelvin Joseph and Mannie Netherly both left right at the beginning of the semester, so it's unclear if they were actually enrolled and withdrew or just never enrolled at all.
I really hope we're going to start taking advantage of some of these rules as they're written. It's frustrating watching our main competitor figure this shite out, while our compliance department sits around with their thumbs up their asses and takes the easy way out (just say no to everything rather than actually work with the teams and work the angles).
Of course, I could be totally wrong and just need to get some more sleep.
Either way,
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Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:37 pm to whitefoot
I think that’s just attrition against the 85 and can’t add on to the 25 with the current rules.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:55 pm to whitefoot
Paging Indiana!
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:56 pm to bee Rye
It can be used to add players without them counting against the 25. Bama has done it 2 consecutive years and may again. Do believe the kids would have to pay their first semester then be granted a scholarship but i havent wrapped my head around the exact parameters of it.
The Bama recruiting theead from the sec rant explains it better than i can
The Bama recruiting theead from the sec rant explains it better than i can
Posted on 11/4/19 at 11:17 pm to bee Rye
I believe the way around this is for the incoming recruit to walk on during the winter intercession (bowl practice).
I wondered if Stingley had done this last year to take either Drake Davis or Tyler Taylor's scholarship.
I wondered if Stingley had done this last year to take either Drake Davis or Tyler Taylor's scholarship.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 11:32 pm to whitefoot
These rules deal with the counter limitations, not the signee limitation. As best as I can tell, the most they can do for an incoming student is give you another EE if you are constrained, but it does not give you another signee.
Now either you understand that a counter and signee are not the same or you don't, or you agree with this or you don't. I don't know how to respond unless people ask relevant questions. I'm kind of tired writing the same shite over and over and over.
Now either you understand that a counter and signee are not the same or you don't, or you agree with this or you don't. I don't know how to respond unless people ask relevant questions. I'm kind of tired writing the same shite over and over and over.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 11:40 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:
I'm kind of tired writing the same shite over and over and over.
Then don't
Posted on 11/4/19 at 11:41 pm to whitefoot
25 is the hard cap. Doesn’t matter who leaves the team
The only way you can over sign is if you roll over schollies from the prior year
The only way you can over sign is if you roll over schollies from the prior year
This post was edited on 11/4/19 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 12:31 am to Geauxld Finger
quote:
25 is the hard cap.
quote:
The only way you can over sign is if you roll over schollies from the prior year
So then...it's not hard at all, is it?
The voluntary withdrawal rule skirts the 25 player signing limit. It was probably intended to allow teams to give scholarships to grayshirts and walkons who hadn't been in school for a year. When a player pays his own way for a term, the team can use a voluntary withdrawal spot to award him a scholarship.
Now, I might be off base and misinterpreting something here, but don't come in here talking about a mythical hard cap (that the SEC adopted around 2010!) and acting like it's all black and white. That's what the Bo Bahnsens of the world want you to believe. But there's so much gray out there. You just have to put in the effort and find it. That's what the guy a couple of states over has been doing. Figuring out ways to make the system work better for him.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:03 am to Indiana Tiger
You have to. We dumb 
Think of it as feeding ducks at a park.
Think of it as feeding ducks at a park.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:05 am to Cadello
“Think of it as feeding ducks at a park”
Quack, quack....
Quack, quack....
Posted on 11/5/19 at 5:48 am to whitefoot
I thought if you sign 23 commits in 2019 then you can sign 27 in 2020. That's the only wait works that I understand.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 6:53 am to whitefoot
we can greyshirt 3 or 4
Posted on 11/5/19 at 7:56 am to whitefoot
quote:
The voluntary withdrawal rule skirts the 25 player signing limit. It was probably intended to allow teams to give scholarships to grayshirts and walkons who hadn't been in school for a year. When a player pays his own way for a term, the team can use a voluntary withdrawal spot to award him a scholarship.
Now, I might be off base and misinterpreting something here, but don't come in here talking about a mythical hard cap (that the SEC adopted around 2010!) and acting like it's all black and white. That's what the Bo Bahnsens of the world want you to believe. But there's so much gray out there. You just have to put in the effort and find it. That's what the guy a couple of states over has been doing. Figuring out ways to make the system work better for him.
Voluntary withdrawal only applies to players who leave before the season or academic term starts. You can still back count, but Lanard and Thomas only really help us against the 85 to my understanding. Bama was able to do it because they had some leave during fall camp, and back counted the rest.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:03 am to TheDrunkenTigah
There are ways to skirt the 25 rule. Bama always find ways. Lately they have blueshirted a player. If a player doesn’t receive an official visit or in home visit from a coach they are not a recruitable player and only count against the 85 as long as they don’t sign a LOI.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:15 am to rstamp1
I just told you how they skirted the rules, and it doesn’t really help us. Yes there are ways to get around 25 but we have no counters left from the 19’ class to back count, and no one in our class that we would want could fit into the walk-on loophole, that really isn’t much of a loophole to begin with. They did this with Bear Bryant’s grandson, who was going to Bama even if they cussed him out on signing day. To sign a kid like that you have to have them want to come to your school so bad that you don’t recruit them at all or offer them any financial aid.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 9:07 am to whitefoot
Do we have any greyshirts?
Arent those the 1st to use up a vacated scholly?
Arent those the 1st to use up a vacated scholly?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 9:48 am to TheDrunkenTigah
That's the way I read it as well. Just don't remember when certain kids like Joseph left. He's the only one I think is close to the timeframe.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:21 am to lsufanva
Sure is a nice problem to have:
Making room for perceived-better players.
It’s really a good year.
Making room for perceived-better players.
It’s really a good year.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:41 am to whitefoot
If you sign less than 25 in the previous class, then you can count as many EEs from the current class as you wish to make up the deficit from the previous class, thus freeing up additional slots in the current class. Say LSU only signed 24 for the 2019 class. Then, LSU could apply one 2020 EE (say Ricks) to the 2019 count, which would allow you to sign 26 (applying 1 to the 2019 class and 25 to the 2020 class).
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