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Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:25 pm to Ross
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Those darn Auburn fans just don't know their place.
+100
These "street agents" are all over the place. I have no doubt that every major school is going to have had contact with them (as both tend to congregate around the top prospects). The question is which teams felt enough desperation to step over the line. I hope LSU wasn't that stupid.
Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:28 pm to deuce985
quote:He was saying he was helping the previous LSU recruiter/scout.
I took that part as he was trying to help with randle but maybe I read it wrong.
Hartman says that was a lie, because LSU had never recruited there before.
Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:32 pm to Roaad
Yeah, this article says nothing wrong. Also, he tries to make it out that Porter was affiliated with him as well, except one problem: Porter recruited Texas for us and EVERYONE knows that. That was the one thing that we hated the most about seeing Porter go was how well he did in that state.
So Randle decides to make a trip to LSU instead of Oklahoma and that raises questions? He wanted to play at Oklahoma, yet decided on LSU after attending a junior day? Nothing shocking there. How many recruits say they want to go somewhere and change their mind?
These kids are 17-18 years old and VERY impressionable. While I wasn't an athletic recruit, I visited a lot of campuses and decided on Texas A&M because I was blown away with their campus and business school. I had never once even thought about going to A&M beforehand, never cheered for A&M in anything. As a big time athlete, like Randle, it's even more impressionable for them when these coaches start talking to them.
Pretty much every recruit that has visited LSU has said that they have top notch facilities and they focus on the academic side of things as well. So for him to change his mind like he did doesn't surprise me, especially when going up against Oklahoma
Thayer is just trying to save himself after nobody backed him about the Auburn deal. This article just reeks of sour grapes and the guy contradicts himself in his own writing a number of times. How this guy still has a job is beyond me
So Randle decides to make a trip to LSU instead of Oklahoma and that raises questions? He wanted to play at Oklahoma, yet decided on LSU after attending a junior day? Nothing shocking there. How many recruits say they want to go somewhere and change their mind?
These kids are 17-18 years old and VERY impressionable. While I wasn't an athletic recruit, I visited a lot of campuses and decided on Texas A&M because I was blown away with their campus and business school. I had never once even thought about going to A&M beforehand, never cheered for A&M in anything. As a big time athlete, like Randle, it's even more impressionable for them when these coaches start talking to them.
Pretty much every recruit that has visited LSU has said that they have top notch facilities and they focus on the academic side of things as well. So for him to change his mind like he did doesn't surprise me, especially when going up against Oklahoma
Thayer is just trying to save himself after nobody backed him about the Auburn deal. This article just reeks of sour grapes and the guy contradicts himself in his own writing a number of times. How this guy still has a job is beyond me
This post was edited on 3/12/11 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:59 pm to TutHillTiger
As the Indian Mounds Burn!!
Posted on 3/12/11 at 11:30 pm to graychef
I'm not one that panics over this kind of stuff because i know it happens and i know LSU has played a part in it.So no reason to be suprised,shocked or panic over it.The article itself is not news it's sattire.Some fact to go with some assumptions.Just like the piece about Thibodaux and Sean Nelson.For those of you that were falling hook,line and sinker for that Thibodaux article and getting on the Aubies for it and basing it as fact should also take this one as fact.They are basically the same article with different players and a different agent.
4 things in the article that should at a minimum concern LSU fans though not to panic levels at this point.
1.The fact that Randle admits to knowing and being helped by Lyles in some way whether illegal or not.This is important because lyles is the subject of an Ncaa investigation.If he is what everyone says he is then do you really expect oregon to be the only school in trouble?if so then you're naive.If he's dirty then there will be collateral damage surrounding the Oregon investigation.
2.The fact that this at least the 3rd article that has stated that Lyles was at LSU's summer camp at least the last 2 years.Again if he is what everyone says then it's not a good look that he's around our program.Guilt by association can be a very bad thing.
3.The fact that at least 2 LSU coaches (haley and porter) are at the very least in some way linked to Lyles.Doesn't mean there is wrongdoing but it does at least warrant a look by the NCAA.If lyles is a street agent and is pushing players then it's not a good thing that 2 of our current or former coaches have at least some link to Lyles.
4.The most important one of all.The fact that NCAA investigators are in Texas talking to Randle and his father.If true then they are investigating us at least in a peripheril(sp.) way.Even if not directly investigating LSu,the Ncaa investigating one of our signees is not a good thing.Could be that Lyles is on the up and up and the investigation goes away.Also could be that Lyles is dirty and they prove that he guided Randle to LSU.In that case Randle is ineligible.Also could be that Lyles helped Randle but not illegally and they are just doing a thourough investigation or that lyles helped Randle and Randle didn't know the circumstances surrounding his help.(this would be the Cam Newton rule of no knowledge but they are trying to close that loophole so we'll see if that's the case)Either way it's not good that one of our most important signees who could be in line for playing time this season could be ruled ineligible or at the vry least be forced to redshirt until things are finalized.
Again no reason for us to panic but there should be at least a slight bit of concern.The Ncaa can be very unpredictable and with the huge blackeyes they've been getting lately they could really start to put the hammer down if there is any thoughts of impropriety by a school or player.
4 things in the article that should at a minimum concern LSU fans though not to panic levels at this point.
1.The fact that Randle admits to knowing and being helped by Lyles in some way whether illegal or not.This is important because lyles is the subject of an Ncaa investigation.If he is what everyone says he is then do you really expect oregon to be the only school in trouble?if so then you're naive.If he's dirty then there will be collateral damage surrounding the Oregon investigation.
2.The fact that this at least the 3rd article that has stated that Lyles was at LSU's summer camp at least the last 2 years.Again if he is what everyone says then it's not a good look that he's around our program.Guilt by association can be a very bad thing.
3.The fact that at least 2 LSU coaches (haley and porter) are at the very least in some way linked to Lyles.Doesn't mean there is wrongdoing but it does at least warrant a look by the NCAA.If lyles is a street agent and is pushing players then it's not a good thing that 2 of our current or former coaches have at least some link to Lyles.
4.The most important one of all.The fact that NCAA investigators are in Texas talking to Randle and his father.If true then they are investigating us at least in a peripheril(sp.) way.Even if not directly investigating LSu,the Ncaa investigating one of our signees is not a good thing.Could be that Lyles is on the up and up and the investigation goes away.Also could be that Lyles is dirty and they prove that he guided Randle to LSU.In that case Randle is ineligible.Also could be that Lyles helped Randle but not illegally and they are just doing a thourough investigation or that lyles helped Randle and Randle didn't know the circumstances surrounding his help.(this would be the Cam Newton rule of no knowledge but they are trying to close that loophole so we'll see if that's the case)Either way it's not good that one of our most important signees who could be in line for playing time this season could be ruled ineligible or at the vry least be forced to redshirt until things are finalized.
Again no reason for us to panic but there should be at least a slight bit of concern.The Ncaa can be very unpredictable and with the huge blackeyes they've been getting lately they could really start to put the hammer down if there is any thoughts of impropriety by a school or player.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 12:53 am to lsufanva
Several things that should show that LSU has little to be concerned about.
1. Oregon payed him $25k, and he is steering recruits to other schools? I would be a pissed S.O.B. if I were Oregon.
2. Randle said he was giving info on several schools. Again if a school is paying to steer recruits their way, that's not a good way to do it unless you are poor mouthing those schools. Randle said he never suggested he go to any school.
3. The big schools are all good at keeping their business squared away and wouldn't be so open with violations that could hurt them very bad.
4. Like Pete Carrol, Miles would have bailed when he had the chance if any violations where coming down the pipe. Believe he would know well in advance.
1. Oregon payed him $25k, and he is steering recruits to other schools? I would be a pissed S.O.B. if I were Oregon.
2. Randle said he was giving info on several schools. Again if a school is paying to steer recruits their way, that's not a good way to do it unless you are poor mouthing those schools. Randle said he never suggested he go to any school.
3. The big schools are all good at keeping their business squared away and wouldn't be so open with violations that could hurt them very bad.
4. Like Pete Carrol, Miles would have bailed when he had the chance if any violations where coming down the pipe. Believe he would know well in advance.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 3:35 am to Bone06
Sure this lyles guy seems shady but I don't see how Lsu is in the wrong at all. If Lsu paid him some money then I will be worried. I just think this is they way it is for some recruits and unlil the NCAA goes after the street agents and/or the parents/coaches refuse to allow these type of people to get close to their kids, it's going to continue.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 7:24 am to jrowla2
also the article mentions Lyles only telling Randle that it was a choice after Randle chose to attend LSU
Posted on 3/13/11 at 10:19 am to TutHillTiger
Posted on 3/13/11 at 10:30 am to GeauxAggie972
I don't blame Thayer. I think it is a good article.
But I think the entire basis of the article is Hartman being very pissed that Randle didn't go to Oklahoma.
Even saying Randle screwed himself by picking LSU over Oklahoma.
Thayer could have hidden Hartman's complete lack of credibility, but did not.
But I think the entire basis of the article is Hartman being very pissed that Randle didn't go to Oklahoma.
Even saying Randle screwed himself by picking LSU over Oklahoma.
Thayer could have hidden Hartman's complete lack of credibility, but did not.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:06 am to Roaad
I just wish that more high schools would take the approach that Randle's HS did and not even let the guy on their campus. I also wish LSU would do the same. He's not actually helping people, he's latching on to guys that will go big time regardless of whether he is around them or not. Those guys have no need for a 'scouting service' but he inserts himself into the situation anyway.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:18 am to ProjectP2294
Randle was one of the earliest commits for us. If this was truly a Seastrunk situation, his handler would have done a better job of extending the process to extort more money from the university.
The only incriminating about the article is how much of a tool Thayer Evans looks like in his pic.
The only incriminating about the article is how much of a tool Thayer Evans looks like in his pic.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:50 am to deuce985
that didn't say anythign about LSU paying a dime for anything.
This post was edited on 3/13/11 at 11:51 am
Posted on 3/13/11 at 12:23 pm to Tiger Authority
Much ado about nothing as far as LSU is concerned.
Randle was not a high profile kid, and he was all LSU early because LSU was on him early.
No bidding war.
No payment plan demands from Dad.
No prior baggage from previous schools.
Even if any of that existed, the NCAA is edentulous. The only concern that could possibly have existed would be the fact that Randle is not high profile enough to cost anyone from the conference or NCAA some of their monetary gain.
Thus, he would have been expendable.
And, while on the subject, I'll take my chances with LSU's compliance against any other top 25 program.
Randle was not a high profile kid, and he was all LSU early because LSU was on him early.
No bidding war.
No payment plan demands from Dad.
No prior baggage from previous schools.
Even if any of that existed, the NCAA is edentulous. The only concern that could possibly have existed would be the fact that Randle is not high profile enough to cost anyone from the conference or NCAA some of their monetary gain.
Thus, he would have been expendable.
And, while on the subject, I'll take my chances with LSU's compliance against any other top 25 program.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 12:36 pm to TutHillTiger
I am for cleaning up College Football and all sports that cheat and Schools that cheat. This has to stop no matter who it is that cheated.
Now after saying that I will say this article reeks of sour grapes in several fronts. At the sametime if the Schools named proves to have cheated they need to pay the price for it.
Thayer Evans along with Pat Forde, Chris Low and Mark Schlabach of ESPN have not been in the spotlight lately because of their reporting on Cam Newton and his Dad with Auburn and nothing of those aligations has come to the front. So they are going to try whatever it takes to put a story together at anyones expense. It seems ESPN has put a mussel on their reporters and have not said anything on Ohio St, Oregon nor Texas and it is going to be intresting when they do start to saying things what will be talked about and who.
This quote from the article I found quite misleading.
A week later, Hartman crossed paths with Lyles again. This time he was with LSU defensive line coach Brick Haley, who had come to see Randle.
This contridicts what is said following because it is said by Hartman and Haley they did not know who he was with. In the next statement Lyley's says he was representing the last Coach of LSU. (see my next point)
“I didn’t know the guy, Coach,” Hartman recalled Haley saying of Lyles. “He showed up and said he was helping the last guy here for LSU.” In this statement Lyles was saying he was here helping the last Coach and that was Larry Porter. Memphis coach Larry Porter knew Lyles from his time as assistant head coach at LSU but, Lyles did not know that Porter was no longer at LSU, so he lied and used Haley as his way onto that School Ground.
But what Hartman didn’t know then was that Randle and his father, Raymond Edwards, already had a relationship with Lyles. Last month, Randle signed with LSU. Here in this statement Thayer Evans is taking on his own that because he saw Lyles on the campus at LSU and just took it that LSU was associated with LSU and they where paying him. If they were then there is a problem but, just to have a reporter to say LSU had Lyles there for them then why have the Assistant Coach there if that was so. That is where the problem comes in at because a reporter for the sake of making an article writes into it what he thinks is where he is invilved with lying to make a story. To me it appeares the way it is writen he is lying because he contradicted himself a couple of times in which I have shown. They write just to write abd do not investigate and when they do they go only as far as they want to get their story and go no further.
How does this get stopped before it can happen in this case not to take blame in anyway away from LSU but the High Schools are/should responsible for who is on their School Grounds and they should have security to stop that from happening. If he is not allowed then security would stop him.
Just because Lyles was at LSU does not mean he is being paid or hired by LSU to recruite certain players. LSU has always had a strong presence in Southeast Texas ever since I can remember. With the number of media and other individuals that are there on that practice field the Assistant Coaches may not know who Lyles was. They do now I can bet you on that.
Until the NCAA confronts these "Street Agents" and stops them in their tracks by saying there will be no Agents allowed and nobody but the Child's Parents or Guardian representing the Child during visits and on where they will sign their LOI. A 4 or 5 star athlete does not need any agent to get them to a School because those Schools knows about those Kids already. The Students know who they want to visit so let them choose their top ten teams at the most they want to visit but they have only ten visits to use on where they go. If they have only 5 teams then they can make 2 trips to each school but, they only get 10 visits to make per student it is up to the students to choose how they use those visits.
NO AGENTS PERIOD! NO ONE PAYS ANYONE BECAUSE A STUDENT WENT TO A GIVEN SCHOOL AND YOU MAKE THOSE FILES PUBLIC FOR ALL TO SEE AND IT WILL GO AWAY, THERE WILL BE NO MORE AGENTS. EACH SCHOOL HAS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF COACHES ON STAFF, ALL EXTRACURICULAR ACTIVITIES ARE/WILL BE COVERED BY THOSE COACHES. THE ASSISTANT COACHES DO THE RECRUITING AND ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER CAN RECRUITE COUNTING THE HEAD COACH. IF THE HEAD COACH WANTS TO BE INVOLVED WITH RECRUITING THEN THERE IS ONE LESS ASSISTANT RECRUITING.
THE HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE TO MONITOR WHO COMES ONTO THEIR SCHOOL GROUND TO RECRUITE AND THEY NEED TO BE TOLD IN ADVANCE. THERE IS NO NEED FOR AN AGENT TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS. WHEN A COACH FROM A COLLEGE MAKES A VISIT THE PARENTS CAN BE PRESENT AND THAT SHOULD BE INCOURAGED BY THE HIGH SCHOOL COACH AND THE COLLEGE COACHES.
These to me need to be put in place as soon as possible so that as this recruiting year begins they will know beforehand what the proceedures are they have to follow. JMHO!
Now after saying that I will say this article reeks of sour grapes in several fronts. At the sametime if the Schools named proves to have cheated they need to pay the price for it.
Thayer Evans along with Pat Forde, Chris Low and Mark Schlabach of ESPN have not been in the spotlight lately because of their reporting on Cam Newton and his Dad with Auburn and nothing of those aligations has come to the front. So they are going to try whatever it takes to put a story together at anyones expense. It seems ESPN has put a mussel on their reporters and have not said anything on Ohio St, Oregon nor Texas and it is going to be intresting when they do start to saying things what will be talked about and who.
This quote from the article I found quite misleading.
quote:
A week later, Hartman crossed paths with Lyles again. This time he was with LSU defensive line coach Brick Haley, who had come to see Randle.
When Lyles tried to walk onto the field, Hartman told him to return to the parking lot.
Hartman later called Haley and told him that Lyles was never to return to Clear Springs High.
“I didn’t know the guy, Coach,” Hartman recalled Haley saying of Lyles. “He showed up and said he was helping the last guy here for LSU.”
Hartman knew that wasn’t true. After all, LSU had never previously recruited at Clear Springs High.
But what Hartman didn’t know then was that Randle and his father, Raymond Edwards, already had a relationship with Lyles. Last month, Randle signed with LSU.
A week later, Hartman crossed paths with Lyles again. This time he was with LSU defensive line coach Brick Haley, who had come to see Randle.
This contridicts what is said following because it is said by Hartman and Haley they did not know who he was with. In the next statement Lyley's says he was representing the last Coach of LSU. (see my next point)
“I didn’t know the guy, Coach,” Hartman recalled Haley saying of Lyles. “He showed up and said he was helping the last guy here for LSU.” In this statement Lyles was saying he was here helping the last Coach and that was Larry Porter. Memphis coach Larry Porter knew Lyles from his time as assistant head coach at LSU but, Lyles did not know that Porter was no longer at LSU, so he lied and used Haley as his way onto that School Ground.
But what Hartman didn’t know then was that Randle and his father, Raymond Edwards, already had a relationship with Lyles. Last month, Randle signed with LSU. Here in this statement Thayer Evans is taking on his own that because he saw Lyles on the campus at LSU and just took it that LSU was associated with LSU and they where paying him. If they were then there is a problem but, just to have a reporter to say LSU had Lyles there for them then why have the Assistant Coach there if that was so. That is where the problem comes in at because a reporter for the sake of making an article writes into it what he thinks is where he is invilved with lying to make a story. To me it appeares the way it is writen he is lying because he contradicted himself a couple of times in which I have shown. They write just to write abd do not investigate and when they do they go only as far as they want to get their story and go no further.
How does this get stopped before it can happen in this case not to take blame in anyway away from LSU but the High Schools are/should responsible for who is on their School Grounds and they should have security to stop that from happening. If he is not allowed then security would stop him.
Just because Lyles was at LSU does not mean he is being paid or hired by LSU to recruite certain players. LSU has always had a strong presence in Southeast Texas ever since I can remember. With the number of media and other individuals that are there on that practice field the Assistant Coaches may not know who Lyles was. They do now I can bet you on that.
Until the NCAA confronts these "Street Agents" and stops them in their tracks by saying there will be no Agents allowed and nobody but the Child's Parents or Guardian representing the Child during visits and on where they will sign their LOI. A 4 or 5 star athlete does not need any agent to get them to a School because those Schools knows about those Kids already. The Students know who they want to visit so let them choose their top ten teams at the most they want to visit but they have only ten visits to use on where they go. If they have only 5 teams then they can make 2 trips to each school but, they only get 10 visits to make per student it is up to the students to choose how they use those visits.
NO AGENTS PERIOD! NO ONE PAYS ANYONE BECAUSE A STUDENT WENT TO A GIVEN SCHOOL AND YOU MAKE THOSE FILES PUBLIC FOR ALL TO SEE AND IT WILL GO AWAY, THERE WILL BE NO MORE AGENTS. EACH SCHOOL HAS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF COACHES ON STAFF, ALL EXTRACURICULAR ACTIVITIES ARE/WILL BE COVERED BY THOSE COACHES. THE ASSISTANT COACHES DO THE RECRUITING AND ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER CAN RECRUITE COUNTING THE HEAD COACH. IF THE HEAD COACH WANTS TO BE INVOLVED WITH RECRUITING THEN THERE IS ONE LESS ASSISTANT RECRUITING.
THE HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE TO MONITOR WHO COMES ONTO THEIR SCHOOL GROUND TO RECRUITE AND THEY NEED TO BE TOLD IN ADVANCE. THERE IS NO NEED FOR AN AGENT TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS. WHEN A COACH FROM A COLLEGE MAKES A VISIT THE PARENTS CAN BE PRESENT AND THAT SHOULD BE INCOURAGED BY THE HIGH SCHOOL COACH AND THE COLLEGE COACHES.
These to me need to be put in place as soon as possible so that as this recruiting year begins they will know beforehand what the proceedures are they have to follow. JMHO!
Posted on 3/13/11 at 12:39 pm to Jaketigger
quote:didn't even hint at it.
that didn't say anythign about LSU paying a dime for anything.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 12:40 pm to TutHillTiger
We'll be OK if we can make a BCS bowl. 
Posted on 3/13/11 at 4:54 pm to Roaad
"Having committed to LSU, Randle said he later spent time with Lyles while attending LSU summer camps. He said Lyles was particularly close with Haley, who recruited him for the Tigers."
i think this part was the shady part. didnt haley say he didnt know lyles?
i think this part was the shady part. didnt haley say he didnt know lyles?
Posted on 3/13/11 at 4:59 pm to deuce985
quote:
Every program cheats, it is just how open and how often you do it
Seconded.
And the winning programs do it often. It's really just how smart you are about it all...
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