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re: Someone said a couple days ago
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:36 pm to chRxis
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:36 pm to chRxis
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but let's not forget, JK Johnson and Jyaire Brown were pegged as "studs" coming from Ohio St, when we got them... yet here we are...
There’s no real comparison between Johnson and Brown and the three new CBs here. tRant will do what tRant does on overhyping new toys, but this is also the level of players we used to pull routinely in every class. Johnson and Brown were never on that level as recruits or as players before the left OSU. The hype with them was just hope.
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Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:48 pm to geaux2019
Yeah. We aren't done yet either. Awesome job thus far.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:51 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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look, we all hoping all these guys pan out, okay?
but let's not forget, JK Johnson and Jyaire Brown were pegged as "studs" coming from Ohio St, when we got them... yet here we are... they never made any impact, and are now in the portal yet again... Sage Ryan, Jardin Gilbert, Major Burns... also, all were supposed to be "studs" and were talked up and labeled as such... you see where i'm going with this?
don't count your chickens before they hatch, bro... just sayin'
Every player is a toss up. We were also handed players who nobody else wanted but they turned out to be studs. You at least have to try and see what they can do.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:04 pm to Stew2581
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Nobody ever said they studs. Neither one was a starter for OSU
you might wanna go check that again...
look, i get it... we got new players, we are all excited about it, and every new player is a "can't miss stud"... happens with almost every single player, HS or portal, in every single class... it's what it is...
i'm just saying, we are heaping all these expectations on these guys, saying they are "studs" and making it seem like now we are golden at DB b/c we have some warm bodies there... i'm just saying, pump the brakes a bit, come back to reallity, and let's wait to see how these guys perform in their new roles in Baker's defensive scheme before we go singing their praises...
i do think we got better at DB, make no mistake about it, but let's be honest... it was a pretty fricking low bar to hurdle
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:06 pm to LuzianaFootball
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Every player is a toss up. We were also handed players who nobody else wanted but they turned out to be studs. You at least have to try and see what they can do.
totally agree... which is why i'm saying labeling these guys as "studs" and proclaiming we are back to DBU is all a bit premature... we got some guys there with some experience, but outside of that, we have no idea how these guys match up with what we need from them in our scheme here at LSU
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:41 pm to chRxis
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but let's not forget, JK Johnson and Jyaire Brown were pegged as "studs" coming from Ohio St, when we got them... yet here we are... they never made any impact, and are now
This just isn't true.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 7:14 pm to Chalkywhite84
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This just isn't true.
JK Johnson has been better than Stamps
Zy and JK are ascending and can form a formidable SEC corner duo- MrWiseGuy 9/27/24
What do you think JK Johnson, Zy Alexander and Ashton Stamps are? Those are SEC starter caliber corners. -Penrod 8/25/24
brown is barely ever mentioned around on this board, and he & johnson are both arguably the most talented corners on the roster. i'd be surprised if by the end of the year one of the Ohio State transfer corners isn't starting -AD23 8/21/24
Posted on 12/16/24 at 7:17 pm to chRxis
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JK Johnson and Jyaire Brown were pegged as "studs" coming from Ohio St
They absolutely were not and because a few random people mentioned they may start means nothing. These were not seen as big portal pickups. JK was seriously injured and Brwon barely played at OSU. When JK did play at OSU it was not good either, he was talented but the injury I don't think he ever fully recovered from.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 12/16/24 at 7:29 pm to thunderbird1100
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because a few random people mentioned they may start means nothing
it means they were viewed just as highly, to some people, as who became our starters...
all i'm simply trying to point out is that some people are going to hype up EVERY player when we get them... it happens every single year... its in the same vein of when a player decommits, all of a sudden he's garbage, while when he was committed he was the greatest thing since sliced bread... i'm just pointing out that no matter what the indicators are and what reality is/ has been, as soon as someone new commits to us, some people will automatically assume and/ or label them as 'great", no matter what...
that is ALL i'm pointing out... why y'all are so fricking defensive, when y'all know this shite is true, i don't understand...
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They absolutely were not
you ain't gotta sell me on it, chief... i thought they were terrible pick ups then, and they didn't do shite while here, and have since moved on... i'm just saying, for all we know right now, both these new guys could end up just like those 2, or they could excel... no one, including me and you, know which way these guys are definitely heading... its all a crapshoot and until they actually suit up and play, we really don't have any idea... on paper, sure we got better... let's see how that translates on the field...
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:06 pm to ipodking
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Who are these stud CBs?
The #1 HS corner in the country would be one. Based on history at LSU, those dudes have been studs as soon as they’ve stepped on campus more often than not… or always?
Top 3 CB’s of their class from my memory;
Patrick Peterson - awesome immediately.
Kevin Tolliver - very good immediately
Eli Ricks - awesome immediately
Kristian Fulton - awesome eventually
Derrick Stingley - awesome immediately.
So I’d put money on 1 side of the field being in good hands with Pickett.
Other side, a 3rd year player in Jackson nearly as highly rated as the above guys. I feel good about that.
Nickel - our starting CB for 2 years in Stamps or the Va Tech kid (is he going to be FS?) and Woodland. Anding / Toviano providing depth.
This defensive backfield could be special.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:15 pm to geaux2019
I remember when we had two stud safeties in the game at all times.
Does anyone think we have even one at the moment. If not that will be our achilles heel again next year.
Does anyone think we have even one at the moment. If not that will be our achilles heel again next year.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:21 pm to ipodking
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Who are these stud CBs?
Left ball of Les, right ball of O. Am I right or did you switch them up?
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:40 pm to chRxis
Actually nobody said these dudes were studs? Maybe you thought that. Gilbert was the only one out of these guys that was highly regarded by the talking heads of LSU.
And boy were they wrong.
And boy were they wrong.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:58 pm to chRxis
Gilbert and Burns were not studs at the time.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:27 pm to chRxis
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but let's not forget, JK Johnson and Jyaire Brown were pegged as "studs" coming from Ohio St, when we got them... yet here we are
Both of these had not played at Ohio St. The hope was based on potential.
Jackson has played and done well in almost a whole season in the SEC as a freshman before his foot injury early this year and Delane has been starting and doing well at VT and was a freshman AA in 2022 and was 3rd team All-ACC in 2024. These two have field experience, not just potential.
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Sage Ryan, Jardin Gilbert, Major Burns... also, all were supposed to be "studs"
Not on this board they weren't. Sage was thought to be a stud out of high school, but that died down quickly. Gilbert was a welcome sight to a thin group, but had been beaten out for his starting spot. No one thought he was a stud though. Lastly, Burns was an absolute consolation prize after he left UGA. No one on this board was that excited about him in high school or as a transfer.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:50 pm to chRxis
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you might wanna go check that again...
I did…
JK Johnson
2021- played in 2 games
2022- played in 13 games, started one.
16 solo tackles and 4 assists
Not a stud!
Jyaire Brown
2022- played in 9 games 8 tackles, 1 FF, 3 PD
2023- played in 4 games, 1 total tackle
Again not a Stud!
Mansoor Delaine has the stats to back up his hype and neither Brown nor Johnson were as highly rated as Jackson. Had he not been injured he probably starts for UF all year.
Maybe you should have checked that before commenting moron
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 12:12 am
Posted on 12/17/24 at 6:51 am to Stew2581
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I did…
you are missing the point of what i'm saying... you are too hung up on these 2 particular players
i'm not defending Johnson and Brown... neither one of them were good prospects, imo... i've already stated as such...
what i'm saying is that when we got them (and not just these 2, but it happens with EVERY prospect, EVERY year), there are people that will latch on and automatically proclaim they are "great" or something similar.... kinda like what the OP did.... my issue, and what i'm trying to get at is, these new guys MAY be studs, but they aren't simply "studs" b/c they decided to pick LSU... there is a LOOONNNNGGGGG list of players that have. been prematurely described as "studs" (or something simiilar) only to have that player be absolute shite, or not even stay long enough for us to find out
Posted on 12/17/24 at 6:57 am to burreauxxx
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exaggerated celebration of average players
Mansoor Delane
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Freshman All-American and All-ACC honors
Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:09 am to mortis381
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Gilbert was a welcome sight to a thin group, but had been beaten out for his starting spot. No one thought he was a stud though.
The number 2 ranked safety behind only Caleb Downs. Excited to see him be a big part of the defensive turn around! -king47 7/18/24
Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:23 am to chRxis
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don't count your chickens before they hatch, bro... just sayin'
it is like paying a kid $3 million before they even take a snap
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