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re: Since recruiting is dead, this forum needs to change its title to Newly Purchased Players!

Posted on 6/4/25 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 5:18 pm to
rented not purchased
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6635 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:33 am to
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top players are only interested in one thing - how much can you pay me.
Weren’t they always only interested in what the school can give them? In fact, isn’t that how we make all decisions : what the return might be?
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 3:14 pm to
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The fact is, if a hypothetical Akron Zips billionaire alum all-of-a-sudden wanted to win a football championship for a school that has been completely irrelevant for their 130 year history, he could go out and throw millions at a roster (and staff) and be immediately competitive in the playoff picture, which wouldn't have been possible before because the individual traits of a program and school that make it unique used to matter the most, not just money. CFB is losing its identity and becoming more and more like the sanitized NFL.

if you're in the wrong conference you'll never get the players you need to compete... that billionaire would probably be a Buckeyes fan already because they actually can compete
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
38709 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:31 pm to
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The schools, conferences and NCAA were making billions off kids they didn't have to pay.


Wrong.
Posted by Tiger79
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Member since Apr 2009
7570 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:38 pm to
20% of the players are out for the highest bid. About 70% want an above average bid but also want a good fit and good culture. 10% just want to play for LSU and get paid some. With that 80% LSU should be in the playoffs almost every year and win Natty every 5-6 years.
Posted by goatmilker
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 3:41 pm to
Sounds about right
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
6802 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 6:21 pm to
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The NCAA did what they could to delay the inevitable for as long as possible, but ultimately it has been shown that they no longer have any power after all of the court rulings. This was always going to be the result with capitalism as the laws are written and with CFB skyrocketing in popularity (and revenue) from inception until today. I'm not sure if there's anyone specifically to blame other than previous federal gov regimes, because there's no way for our founding fathers could've taken into account that a sport that didn't exist yet probably shouldn't be subject to the articles and amendments to the Constitution. If anyone, it's the federal government and the supreme court for not recognizing that America's most popular sport is in deep turmoil while also endangering all other sports at collegiate institutions, and new laws or exceptions need to be written for a very unique sport and situation.
To suggest that college football and college football players "shouldn't be subject to the articles and amendments to the Constitution" is pretty fricking un-American.

And to laud the NCAA for doing "what they could to delay the inevitable for as long as possible" is laughable. The NCAA did it's best to keep the money in the hands of the schools. It was LONG past time for players to be compensated.

In NCAA v. Alston, the Supreme Court finally announced what everyone had known for decades. The NCAA used "amateurism" to reduce its labor costs. And are you honestly suggesting that the Supreme Court should ignore the law of the land when it comes to college football players?

With the House v. NCAA settlement being granted final approval Friday, things can and will change. The players can form a union, and the rules that college football needs to be a more successful product can be written into a collective bargaining agreement.

It seems to me that the two biggest problems with college football currently are unlimited free agency (unlimited transfers) and asymmetric "NIL" bidding (competitive imbalance). Both of those issues can be resolved through a collective bargaining agreement.
Posted by 904
Forever under I-10
Member since Dec 2009
965 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:27 pm to
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To suggest that college football and college football players "shouldn't be subject to the articles and amendments to the Constitution" is pretty fricking un-American.

The sport of CFB is now adhering to this country's laws more than ever (in the modern era), and it's now an unsustainable pay-for-play and unregulated free-agency disaster rife with backdoor tampering/poaching, agents and family members taking advantage of naive kids, etc. If you want any further proof that the sport is broken, just look at the Atlantic Coast Conference and their current members, two of which are the ... University of California and Stanford lol.

It's okay to acknowledge that our country's existing laws don't currently allow for the healthiest and most balanced version of CFB to exist because of the unique nature and situation of the sport, and has nothing to do with being "fricking un-American".

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And to laud the NCAA for doing "what they could to delay the inevitable for as long as possible" is laughable. The NCAA did it's best to keep the money in the hands of the schools. It was LONG past time for players to be compensated.

I guarantee you the NCAA would've happily allowed players to receive payments in the form of actual name, image, and likeness decades ago if only remove that talking point, but anyone with a brain (including them) could see the amount of loopholes that could be exploited and enforcement issues that would arise, thus turning the sport into the unrestricted pay-for-play that it is today.

If we're talking about actual compensation, then it's no longer an amateur sport which is what it was founded on... which would make the players state employees... which obviously introduces this whole host of other issues regarding limiting earning potential and restricting movement. Also, when exactly should we have started paying players, and how much, and should this have only limited to some schools or all schools? What about other sports? Would women's soccer retain the amateurism model, but some of CFB wouldn't? How many truly-amateur athletics programs are going to have to shut down entirely? We still haven't seen the full collateral effect of these changes yet.

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In NCAA v. Alston, the Supreme Court finally announced what everyone had known for decades. The NCAA used "amateurism" to reduce its labor costs. And are you honestly suggesting that the Supreme Court should ignore the law of the land when it comes to college football players?

Not at all. The Supreme Court should be making rulings based on their interpretation of the laws which is what they've been doing and that's great.

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With the House v. NCAA settlement being granted final approval Friday, things can and will change. The players can form a union, and the rules that college football needs to be a more successful product can be written into a collective bargaining agreement.

First of all, what incentives do the players have to form a union? They're making more money than they know what to do with under the current pay-for-play structure and have practically 0 restrictions. On average, they don't care about the health of the sport as a whole, only maximizing their income and maybe moving their way up draft boards if they're lucky, and I don't necessarily blame them. Second of all, this isn't the NFL. CFB athletes are comprised of 1000's of college kids of all different skill levels spread out across the country with vastly different situations and only usually play for 2-4 years. Is an effective CFB players union even possible? I'm not so sure.

As for collective bargaining, it's currently illegal for public employees in Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Texas. Maybe that will change or exceptions will be made on the state level for CFB players, but at the very least, it's an example of why CFB somehow needs to be governed on a national scale and not subject to the whims of the individual states who are effectively in competition with each other as it pertains to their flagship schools.



I fully believe that players should be compensated more than just a scholarship, but all I'm saying is there's so much more nuance to it than just "NCAA and schools bad, pay players, etc."
Posted by MSCGA
Orange County by way of Ascension
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:03 pm to
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
17863 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 7:06 pm to
I call them sub-contractors.
Posted by tibebecolston
Member since Mar 2013
4454 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 7:19 pm to
So if the name was changed as suggested, would you then get over this shite?
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