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Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:17 pm to
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
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9122 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:17 pm to
After seeing that not one of our backups have played any significant action when we are desperate for some depth, I'm not so sure it is going to be ok at all.

We've picked things up at the line backer spot but the middle of our defense really needs some big time help. It's why I'm so darn perplexed as to why these elite players aren't lining up to play for this defense? It's basically our only missing piece at this point. Safety's? Check / Corners? Check / MLBs? Check / OLBs? Check / Rush Ends? Could get better depth but we have some decent talent Check / NTs? Have some decent guys but need to develop Check / DE this is where we need lots of help. We could use help at all 3 DL positions. NT/DE and Rush End. I would look for some bigger but quicker guys then grab the Chassions when they come around as well.

I just don't get why LSU is having trouble with this position? Maybe it's honesty time that we hire a high energy DL coach who is an elite recruiter also. If Orgeron actually wants to beat Bama and improve this program year in and out, then he needs to know when to make changes even if those changes get a buddy fired. He must do what's best for the future and we also need to stop having to rely on JUCO or transfers when we don't get the job done in recruiting big time players.

O needs to start changing things and making the DL and OL a priority. The OL future actually looks decent but they need to as a team start going after the game changing DLman. The NTs never seem to want to lose weight so maybe we should just go after a tough relentless heavier DT or DE type. One that's 310 to 320 out of HS and not 380! That should be a red flag immediately anyway. Of course I thought the kid from Houston would actually be that hard working NT we need. Shelvin is wasting his time here.

Something else O needs to do is stress maturity much faster on this team. That crap about saying they still young when they in their second year needs to go. Many of the great players only have one more year left once they're in their second season. Things need to change if he's going to take this team to another level.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 9:27 pm
Posted by kemowasabi
river parishes
Member since Jun 2018
1248 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:25 pm to
Sonic?
Posted by MetryMojo
Metairie, LA
Member since Jul 2012
2490 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:28 pm to
I’d love to meet this douchebag at Sonic.
Posted by Tigershine
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2015
1118 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:35 pm to
Do I need to point out the obvious?
Posted by MetryMojo
Metairie, LA
Member since Jul 2012
2490 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:37 pm to
That you’re a coward? Nope, it’s pretty clear.
Posted by Tigershine
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2015
1118 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:40 pm to
Maybe you're just too dumb. Yeah that's it.
Posted by MetryMojo
Metairie, LA
Member since Jul 2012
2490 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:43 pm to
Smart enough to know that you’re a chickenshit coward.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26642 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:46 pm to
quote:

Orgeron is a little overrated as both a recruiter and a DLine coach imo.



Can't understand why you get downvoted for this. The DL recruiting and DL play has been nowhere near dominant and that is supposed to be expected with the pedigree that Ed has built up over his coaching career. That is a huge weakness on this team.
Posted by GreyBear
Member since Nov 2017
664 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:51 pm to
You miss the delineation between “recruiting” and “paying players”. Saban and Oferon are both good recruiters. Bama is much better at the latter
Posted by davidlsu
Member since Jan 2008
2958 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:20 am to
Well sounds like we need to start the latter then
Orgeron has definitely been underwhelming recruiting and dline performance
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422465 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:53 am to
quote:

Can't understand why you get downvoted for this. The DL recruiting and DL play has been nowhere near dominant and that is supposed to be expected with the pedigree that Ed has built up over his coaching career.

i hate to do it, but compare his results with Brick Haley's

funny note. Brick's wiki doesn't have a subsection for LSU or UT
Posted by tiger nutz
Madison
Member since Oct 2005
913 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:36 am to
quote:

After seeing that not one of our backups have played any significant action when we are desperate for some depth, I'm not so sure it is going to be ok at all.


We just held Arkansas to 16 rushing yards with a starter on the DL out the entire game!! I think we going to be ok on the DL.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

Saban and Oferon are both good recruiters. Bama is much better at the latter


Orgeron is good but Saban is elite in recruiting. There’s no comparison. It has nothing to do with $$$$. Frankly. Orgeron has been underwhelming at recruiting considering his reputation as an ace recruiter.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9122 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:39 pm to
Did you see what Bama did and how much pressure we've been getting all
Year?

We need more help and depth bro. If LSU is ever going to make the leap from good to great then LSU needs to start getting those 6'6 300lb DEs that are quick and athletic. Who are tenacious and refuse to be blocked. Who play smart and can penetrate when they decide to do so. Who can drop back into throwing lanes on 3rd down when Aranda sends Chassion another LB and a corner blitz.

LSU also needs those 6'7 315 lb OLman who can move, have a viscous punch, use great leverage, have balance and are naturally strong. We do have some developing now but that's what we need and we need to keep identifying them every year and beating Bama, Clemson, Auburn, Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Florida and Georgia for them.

We need to go out to the east coast, northern states, mid west and west coasts to identify them if need be. Send whom ever catches their interest most as often as possible. Bring them here on visits and convince them that they're LSUs missing piece to our championship puzzle and likewise LSU is the place for them to continue their education and develop into the pro athlete they aspire to be.

If LSU simply spent more money on these 3 positions every year going where ever, when ever, it would pay off with high rankings and playoff appearances every year. QB/OL/DL. The remaining positions LSU could recruit here in state and regionally. It couldn't cost that much more to focus on those 3 positions but it would pay huge dividends after year 2 or 3 and there's no doubt in my mind.

LSU should also look into investing into a new and improved S&C program, national DL coach and QB developing guru who would help Steve E come up with a bad arse college play book that fits our personnel and is taylor made to attack our biggest foes. Bama, Florida, Auburn, A&M. If LSU spent more money focusing on these areas, we would beat Bama, be in the top 3 teams consistently and make the playoffs every year, possibly becoming our own dynasty.

LSU has the resources and money to accomplish these goals so it's time to put up or shut up. Go for the gold and stop crawling along. Alleva needs to open the pocket book BUT spend our money wisely and make these areas our focus. S&C / national DL coach who is exciting and proven / a QB developer who can help Steve E design a bad arse play book which highlights our personnel we have coming in and has had success attacking Bama / Auburn / Florida / A&M.

As far as our S&C program, we just need new blood here at LSU. It's been years since we've had some new blood and TBH from the looks of things, it's fallen off. LSU needs to work their OL and DL. Make those boys thick, strong and build their confidence. I'm sorry but we don't have that at this time. We need a tenacious leader out there leading these guys in preparation. If LSU made these moves and spent the time, effort and money into doing it correctly, LSU would be back where we should be. And make no mistake about it, LSU should be a top 1-5 team in the country every year. This program is that rich and that fertile. If O doesn't do these things or his current staff doesn't pick things up and starts getting those elite players here at LSU. It will cost him his job. LSU will have to have 3 or 4 years of consecutive recruiting classes with elite players at those 3 positions before we can even think about competing with Bama and that's the ultimate goal.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

need to stop having to rely on JUCO or transfers when we don't get the job done in recruiting big time players.


say what now? So no to Burrow, no to Tracy, no to Fehoko, no to Lewis, I don't think so. Transfers and Jucos has been big net positive under Orgeron.

quote:

I just don't get why LSU is having trouble with this position?


honestly, unless he pulls some magic out of his arse, When you look at the remaining DT's on the board, unless we somehow land Sopher, it doesn't look promising at all for filling even 1 more DT/NT spot in this class with anyone who could help
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:29 pm to
quote:

As far as our S&C program, we just need new blood here at LSU. It's been years since we've had some new blood and TBH from the looks of things, it's fallen off.


I honestly think we are no where near being cutting edge when it comes to PED's. It's a player culture thing that needs to be helped along by the lower levels of the S&C staff (under the table of course with no traceability back to the top). This is where alumni can play a role as well. We have fallen way behind Bama in particular, and a lot of other programs in this most important area.

Also need a player friendly drug and PED testing program (again look at Bama for cutting edge in this regard as well). We have just the opposite of that at this time. Ours may be one of the worst in the country. Young players want to be able to smoke weed and snort coke, etc. and become a better player through PEDs, without it hurting there eligibility or draft status.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 9:34 pm
Posted by BayouRat15
DAUPHIN ISLAND,AL
Member since Jan 2004
10182 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:41 pm to
Box car nice post!!!

You are correct sir
Posted by Play_Neck
Member since Dec 2014
1862 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:37 pm to
There's a hundred super athletic DEs this year. SIgn some of those boys and feed 'em a lot of gumbo for the next two years.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12896 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

I honestly think we are no where near being cutting edge when it comes to PED's. It's a player culture thing that needs to be helped along by the lower levels of the S&C staff (under the table of course with no traceability back to the top). This is where alumni can play a role as well. We have fallen way behind Bama in particular, and a lot of other programs in this most important area.

Also need a player friendly drug and PED testing program (again look at Bama for cutting edge in this regard as well). We have just the opposite of that at this time. Ours may be one of the worst in the country. Young players want to be able to smoke weed and snort coke, etc. and become a better player through PEDs, without it hurting there eligibility or draft status.
Agreed.

It has always been a part of the game, to some degree or other. Do it smart, do it strategically, do it efficiently.
Posted by Tigershine
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2015
1118 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:02 pm to
MetryMojo... I just scrolled through the thread and reread our messages... You are correct. I was the first to throw insults and I apologize. I was out of line. The negs here make this site very unpleasant at times and I got my hackles up. Really sorry
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 8:46 pm
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