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Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:50 pm to LSUgymfan420
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:50 pm to LSUgymfan420
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:47 pm to tlricks04
I actually like this press conference of Jay. He told it like it is and no excuses. Maybe someone is telling him what this board has been saying since last year. He talks about the form issues but also about consistency in the gym. Now, if they can get the routine construction together I won’t have any complaints.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:42 pm to Sofly225
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I actually like this press conference of Jay. He told it like it is and no excuses. Maybe someone is telling him what this board has been saying since last year. He talks about the form issues but also about consistency in the gym. Now, if they can get the routine construction together I won’t have any complaints.
One of the best press conferences Ive ever seen from Jay. Very candid. Regardless of what happens the rest of the way, you can tell he really cares for these young women. Everything he said makes sense. Will it translate to success.......We'll see.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:58 am to tlricks04
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:16 pm to Bayougallc
Interesting analysis. I think we’ll be scored more harshly in the road although not quite as low as the writer had us (<49).
Also Livvy and Jay had a cool appearance in the Today show this morning!
Also Livvy and Jay had a cool appearance in the Today show this morning!
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:28 pm to Bayougallc
Lol that article is just more talking about LSU was overacored - that author clearly has either a pro-oklahoma or anti-lsu bias, but it would be more honest if she did that type of analysis for both OK and LSU to compare the two.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:41 pm to Twz
Some of those scores were a bit harsh but Tatum will get hit hard by a decent judge if the handstand positions doesn’t get cleaned up. I’m glad she hit, but obviously it’s not 9.875 good. There were lots of small things in that routine we were fortunate wasn’t deducted for. She missed two handstands visibly, small break in the pak and took a micro step on the landing. This was just from watching it live and not in replay mode
Alyona could go either way really. If the judges are laid back, I can see her scoring solidly but her dismount alone opens the door for a major dock in her score if the judges choose to do so
Aleah is improving each week. Like what I’m seeing from her right now on bars. Her and Jeffrey both emerging is much needed
In post season especially you will start seeing more deductions for lack of toe point and bent arms. But those deductions are not taken consistently during the regular season. Just something to keep in mind
Alyona could go either way really. If the judges are laid back, I can see her scoring solidly but her dismount alone opens the door for a major dock in her score if the judges choose to do so
Aleah is improving each week. Like what I’m seeing from her right now on bars. Her and Jeffrey both emerging is much needed
In post season especially you will start seeing more deductions for lack of toe point and bent arms. But those deductions are not taken consistently during the regular season. Just something to keep in mind
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 1:02 pm to Tigerbait357
Oh I agree - tatum’s score was too high as alyona’s generally is for me with her dismount - my point was that the article didn’t do the same thing for OK - when ostensibly the point was how did LSU score vs OK
Posted on 1/20/23 at 1:31 pm to LSUgymfan420
I think this type of article comes across as attacking against one team when you are not doing this for the rotations of both teams. So with that said.. A+ for timing piling it on a team that has started 0-3 and just lost the heart and soul of the team. I'm sure they just love reading how they aren't good enough. As Alyona tweeted a week ago.. "Athletes are human too"
Don't worry though.. I'm sure the next "scandal" is right around the corner. I mean we have already hit a homerun, right? Between Livvy's fans, Jay using too many AA's, AJ being in a lineup, LSU's fault the podium meet isn't being streamed.. All in a week's time! Phew!
Don't worry though.. I'm sure the next "scandal" is right around the corner. I mean we have already hit a homerun, right? Between Livvy's fans, Jay using too many AA's, AJ being in a lineup, LSU's fault the podium meet isn't being streamed.. All in a week's time! Phew!
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 2:56 pm to GeaauuxxFan
EXACTLY!! We are always under someone's microscope. It does get old being the pounding board when teams are scoring tens with obvious mistakes.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:21 pm to Bayougallc
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EXACTLY!! We are always under someone's microscope. It does get old being the pounding board when teams are scoring tens with obvious mistakes.
There is a strange jealousy over LSU in the gymnastics community. I dont really understand it.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:35 pm to lsutiger2
Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:13 am to lsutiger2
They are just haters because the LSU fans are vocal for all the teams across campus. Win/lose we are heard every where. It’s funny how so many people have counted LSU out because of Kiya being injured . Scoring is bad across the NCAA. We had mistakes tonight and still scoring higher than many. A lot of teams looked off and tired something the internet was saying about LSU last week. It’s funny when the same thing is happening to other teams . Hey we doing something right. LSU is on the minds of the whole country and it’s great. This is a tough team and with some tweaking to some routines and getting Bryce healthy, no one is unbeatable.
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 3:18 am to LSUgymfan420
How hard would it be for them to change Alyona’s bar dismount to a pirouette double back? Does Jay think that’s too easy? Because guess who did that dismount tonight? SUNI! I just don’t know how hard it is to train and replace her current one. Heck maybe even work on double pike!
It’s very clear that they are deducting it this season more often than not, so they need to change it or replace her with Cowan or something. Feel bad for her. It’s not her fault, this is on the coach.
It’s very clear that they are deducting it this season more often than not, so they need to change it or replace her with Cowan or something. Feel bad for her. It’s not her fault, this is on the coach.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:49 am to LauraGB
Ok - some thoughts for yesterday (previously posted in the meet thread, but wondering if anyone here has any specific thoughts)
Vault: I thought we are starting to show better landing control, with everyone doing a little better and KJ and Haleigh sticking. I am concerned, though, that Aleah’s vault may never go higher than 9.85 unless she sticks, because judges seem more prone to take deductions on that vault than yurchenkos. Overall, improvement, and of course, love it when Haleigh sticks.
Bars: I was actually pleasantly surprised by this rotation (in most cases). Jeffrey as a leadoff has been outstanding and judges seem more willing to go higher fo her than Kiya (which I hate), but at least that’s a good thing for now. Tatum is showing promise, though I think it is crazy that she and haleigh scored the same. Elena also seems to be settling in, though her pak is still a little crazy. Also, Aleah looked fantastic. Now…to the dismount of it all. First, let me say, I do think alyona’s bar routine other than the dismount is impeccable and looks better than ever. BUT.THE.DISMOUNT. They simply cannot give away .15-.2 on her dismount in the fifth spot. He has to
fix it or take her out (though I am sure he will never take it out).
Beam: Essentially an absolute disaster and we are lucky that Missouri also has basically a disaster as well. First, I understand three meets in a week is a lot, but the way 1-4 performed is really unacceptable. The mental toughness is not there. And unfortunately, Sierra does not have the flexibility on her leaps to score well - I think if KJ can get over her nerves she is a much better option here. Alyona I am also not sold on (everything about her beam is chaotic to me). Elena was nervy but she has the potential there and of course haleigh and Aleah were fire - haleigh seemed a little low for me, even.
But truly the mental game here and routine construction is unacceptable and as much as I loved gnat as a gymnast, I am not sure she is ready for this level of coaching.
Floor: I think Sierra is doing a good job as a leadoff, but it will be hard to really do well when it matters if we don’t drop her score. Alyona’s floor tonight was the best it’s been all year, so that was encouraging. I hate that there isn’t another option beside Chase, but I guess it was at least a higher score than Monday. I feel like KJ is really starting to dial in, which is great. Aleah was having a great meet, so I was surprised by the fall - as if she lost concentration (but if truly was an equipment error and the mat slipped, well…that’s different). Then of course haleigh - who if she gets that first pass under control will be lights out.
One overall comment - I love love love Aleah’s gymnastics and appreciate the interesting skills and difficulty she is bringing to the NCAA - but sometimes I wonder if it’s too much from a consistency cost-benefit analysis. Thoughts?
Vault: I thought we are starting to show better landing control, with everyone doing a little better and KJ and Haleigh sticking. I am concerned, though, that Aleah’s vault may never go higher than 9.85 unless she sticks, because judges seem more prone to take deductions on that vault than yurchenkos. Overall, improvement, and of course, love it when Haleigh sticks.
Bars: I was actually pleasantly surprised by this rotation (in most cases). Jeffrey as a leadoff has been outstanding and judges seem more willing to go higher fo her than Kiya (which I hate), but at least that’s a good thing for now. Tatum is showing promise, though I think it is crazy that she and haleigh scored the same. Elena also seems to be settling in, though her pak is still a little crazy. Also, Aleah looked fantastic. Now…to the dismount of it all. First, let me say, I do think alyona’s bar routine other than the dismount is impeccable and looks better than ever. BUT.THE.DISMOUNT. They simply cannot give away .15-.2 on her dismount in the fifth spot. He has to
fix it or take her out (though I am sure he will never take it out).
Beam: Essentially an absolute disaster and we are lucky that Missouri also has basically a disaster as well. First, I understand three meets in a week is a lot, but the way 1-4 performed is really unacceptable. The mental toughness is not there. And unfortunately, Sierra does not have the flexibility on her leaps to score well - I think if KJ can get over her nerves she is a much better option here. Alyona I am also not sold on (everything about her beam is chaotic to me). Elena was nervy but she has the potential there and of course haleigh and Aleah were fire - haleigh seemed a little low for me, even.
But truly the mental game here and routine construction is unacceptable and as much as I loved gnat as a gymnast, I am not sure she is ready for this level of coaching.
Floor: I think Sierra is doing a good job as a leadoff, but it will be hard to really do well when it matters if we don’t drop her score. Alyona’s floor tonight was the best it’s been all year, so that was encouraging. I hate that there isn’t another option beside Chase, but I guess it was at least a higher score than Monday. I feel like KJ is really starting to dial in, which is great. Aleah was having a great meet, so I was surprised by the fall - as if she lost concentration (but if truly was an equipment error and the mat slipped, well…that’s different). Then of course haleigh - who if she gets that first pass under control will be lights out.
One overall comment - I love love love Aleah’s gymnastics and appreciate the interesting skills and difficulty she is bringing to the NCAA - but sometimes I wonder if it’s too much from a consistency cost-benefit analysis. Thoughts?
Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:40 pm to LSUgymfan420
I'm honestly not too worried about Aleah's hard skills.
The piked deltchev is impeccable, so far 100% hit and judges seem to love it. She seems to be settling on her bars dismount too.
As for floor, the fall on the Arabian was very uncharacteristic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the first time in competition she fell on that skill since she got at LSU.
Vault, I think they really just gotta work on the stick. If she sticks it, I don't see the judges not going 9.95 - 10.
Her triple series on beam makes me nervous, but I really don't know why. She's been relatively consistent with it. I think I just fear that combination too much as I do with front tosses lol.
Overall, yes, it is a high-risk/high-reward situation, but every big team needs 1 or 2 of those athletes (unless you're Oklahoma and everyone does perfect easy gymnastics) and I think Aleah, along with Haleigh, is that person for us. I mean, she clearly CAN hit all those skills, they just gotta figure how to make it mentally viable for post season.
What I cannot understand is giving athletes skills they can't perform comfortably and with good form. Alyona's leap combo on floor is going to be deducted in big away meets, there's just no way someone watches that and don't immediately thinks *rough*. I'm not even going to talk about *the* dismount because is totally unnecessary at this point. Also, the rotating leaps on beam.
We had a good meet yesterday and it looks like we figured bars out (I don't care whatever Jeffrey did her whole life, i'm just so thankful for that stuck half in half out). Though to be competitive at regionals, some changes are going to be necessary on beam. At this point, we are just relying on Haleigh and Aleah's club training - yes, I'm talking to you, Gnat.
The piked deltchev is impeccable, so far 100% hit and judges seem to love it. She seems to be settling on her bars dismount too.
As for floor, the fall on the Arabian was very uncharacteristic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the first time in competition she fell on that skill since she got at LSU.
Vault, I think they really just gotta work on the stick. If she sticks it, I don't see the judges not going 9.95 - 10.
Her triple series on beam makes me nervous, but I really don't know why. She's been relatively consistent with it. I think I just fear that combination too much as I do with front tosses lol.
Overall, yes, it is a high-risk/high-reward situation, but every big team needs 1 or 2 of those athletes (unless you're Oklahoma and everyone does perfect easy gymnastics) and I think Aleah, along with Haleigh, is that person for us. I mean, she clearly CAN hit all those skills, they just gotta figure how to make it mentally viable for post season.
What I cannot understand is giving athletes skills they can't perform comfortably and with good form. Alyona's leap combo on floor is going to be deducted in big away meets, there's just no way someone watches that and don't immediately thinks *rough*. I'm not even going to talk about *the* dismount because is totally unnecessary at this point. Also, the rotating leaps on beam.
We had a good meet yesterday and it looks like we figured bars out (I don't care whatever Jeffrey did her whole life, i'm just so thankful for that stuck half in half out). Though to be competitive at regionals, some changes are going to be necessary on beam. At this point, we are just relying on Haleigh and Aleah's club training - yes, I'm talking to you, Gnat.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:58 pm to joaofff
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Vault, I think they really just gotta work on the stick. If she sticks it, I don't see the judges not going 9.95 - 10.
I think its a really good vault as is (she needs to eventually stick it) but from simple observation across NCAA, judges seem to not like Omelianchik style vaults compared to the yurchenkos. It seems to get judged much harsher for some reason and not get the scores they probably deserve.
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What I cannot understand is giving athletes skills they can't perform comfortably and with good form. Alyona's leap combo on floor is going to be deducted in big away meets, there's just no way someone watches that and don't immediately thinks *rough*. I'm not even going to talk about *the* dismount because is totally unnecessary at this point. Also, the rotating leaps on beam.
My biggest concern personally moving down the road is all these leaps between floor and beam. Its not a matter of just 'hitting' and getting through your routine. The leaps will get hammered in a post season setting when judges pick apart routines.
The rotating leaps on beam are just not smart at all. We have kids who struggle to get at the 180 split mark on basic leaps but we put in rotating leaps instead? They need to focus on hitting 180 degree splits on leaps and fully extending legs/toe point. Those are the details on beam that separate routines from getting a 9.9 potentially or scoring a 9.8/9.75. And these small details aren't limited to just a couple routines, we have quite a few going up and down the lineup. All of it adds up.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:45 pm to Tigerbait357
I absolutely love Selena Harris even more than I did following her in JO. It’s a gut punch seeing her kill it. Following along during Selena’s recruiting years, I thought she was a for sure bet to LSU seeing her at camps and even having LSU posters in room. I refused to believe that LSU didn’t offer, because you could see she was an athlete that was going to dominate in NCAA and umm I’m sorry.. how dumb would that be?! But I just saw a tweet from gymcats.. and I think it perhaps confirms the rumors. 
It could totally mean some other schools, but kinda lineups with the rumors. I don’t know how to post a screenshot, but here is the LINK UCLA would look really different right now without her, and LSU would easily be in the top 5 right now with her. And the scholarships for LSU this year went to…
It could totally mean some other schools, but kinda lineups with the rumors. I don’t know how to post a screenshot, but here is the LINK UCLA would look really different right now without her, and LSU would easily be in the top 5 right now with her. And the scholarships for LSU this year went to… Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:13 pm to GeaauuxxFan
Yeh - she is killing it.
But, lol, Jay probably wouldn’t be using her anyway, what with his “let’s ease the freshmen in approach”
But, lol, Jay probably wouldn’t be using her anyway, what with his “let’s ease the freshmen in approach”
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:27 pm to GeaauuxxFan
Hoping Beard can get healthy eventually at LSU because I think LSU would greatly benefit having a natural beamer like her in the lineups. If she was healthy coming into LSU I had her marked in our lineup.
Hopefully they find a routine that works for her much like Kai, where she can focus on a select couple of events (floor and beam) while being able to maintain her health.
Hopefully they find a routine that works for her much like Kai, where she can focus on a select couple of events (floor and beam) while being able to maintain her health.
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