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Really good article on why WR's come to LSU
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:46 pm to Diggerest
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I hope CLM has it copied & mailed to all WR recruits.
You know Les did that as soon as he read it on here.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:05 pm to Diggerest
If you are the best, come play for the best and get to the NFL along the way.
Like they said.. Julio Jones' stat line for his sophomore year at Alabama: 43 catches, 596 yards, four TDs. Dupre's in good company
Or go look at Odell and Jarvis Landry's numbers prior to their Junior season..
Like they said.. Julio Jones' stat line for his sophomore year at Alabama: 43 catches, 596 yards, four TDs. Dupre's in good company
Or go look at Odell and Jarvis Landry's numbers prior to their Junior season..
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 10/20/15 at 5:52 am to Diggerest
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I just looked up Julio Jones' stat line for his sophomore year at Alabama: 43 catches, 596 yards, four TDs. Dupre's in good company, I guess.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:01 am to ForeverLSU02
quote:I really think this is just the beginning to becoming more balanced on offense. When have our running game, you use it. We play freshmen WRs with no problem, if they can play. Guys want to play for championships, be on TV, and make it to the league.
Really good article on why WR's come to LSU
Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:03 am to Diggerest
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I hope CLM has it copied & mailed to all WR recruits.
Les has been saying this to croots for years. This is nothing new to him.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:20 am to Diggerest
I don't think the article ever really answered the question. In my worthless opinion, the answer is that a receiver has to be able to do more than just run and catch to succeed in the NFL. He has to be able to block and disrupt the defense. An offense where the strategy is simply to spread out, run five guys in routes all over the place and throw to the open guy 65 times a game will produce numbers sometimes, but it won't develop receivers who can help a team in multiple ways. The NFL likes return value for investment. Guys who can only support a high flying passing game can't contribute every play, and don't represent value for the pay.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:28 am to TBoy
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the answer is that a receiver has to be able to do more than just run and catch to succeed in the NFL. He has to be able to block and disrupt the defense. An offense where the strategy is simply to spread out, run five guys in routes all over the place and throw to the open guy 65 times a game will produce numbers sometimes, but it won't develop receivers who can help a team in multiple ways. The NFL likes return value for investment. Guys who can only support a high flying passing game can't contribute every play, and don't represent value for the pay.
depends on the NFL team, some like WR that block downfield and that is really important to them. Others don't. Players can learn once they get to the NFL.
The real take away should be, it really doesn't matter what offense you run in college, if you have talent and certain physical attributes, the will draft you whether you played in an air raid O or the option.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:29 am to Diggerest
I have always said LSU receivers have to learn to catch in traffic when the other team knows we are throwing. Constantly working on the skill of getting open, making the catch then get some yards after the catch with defenders all over them. And block. Even the prima donnas have to learn how to get physical to do all that. That is what the NFL wants.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 9:31 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:32 am to Diggerest
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It might seem strange that so many highly rated receiver prospects would end up in an offense that doesn't feature that position, but it's a pretty easy two-point answer.
First, LSU is extremely good at recruiting its own very talented state. Geography matters much more than fans of schools in regions without talent want to admit.
Second, it's all about the NFL. I'm sure they'd like to catch more balls, but recruits know LSU has had 12 receivers drafted in the last 10 drafts, including three first-rounders and two seconds. That's as good as any school in America.
In essence, the report states that there are good receivers in the state of Louisiana and that kids like to stay close to home. That has nothing to do with LSU's scheme, passing game, etc being uniquely suited to send guys to the NFL. LSU is just fortunate to have several good WRs in the state of Louisiana that want to stay close to home.
They also talk about LSU having several WRs go to the NFL in recent years is a reason WRs come here despite the passing game being avg., at best. Beckham, Landry, Dupree, Randle were all big time players and highly recruited. Does anyone think they would not have had great careers at other schools just based off of their pure ability? Same goes for Julio Jones at Bama. He didn't get picked high in the draft because he went to Alabama. He got picked early because he's 6'3" 215 lb and can absolutely fly.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:07 am to Alt26
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In essence, the report states that there are good receivers in the state of Louisiana and that kids like to stay close to home. That has nothing to do with LSU's scheme, passing game, etc being uniquely suited to send guys to the NFL. LSU is just fortunate to have several good WRs in the state of Louisiana that want to stay close to home.
Ehh, I basically agree. I may get ridiculed on the Recruiting Board for this, but I don't believe LSU prepares WRs any more for the NFL than Baylor. It is also worth noting that I don't believe LSU prepares WRs any less than Baylor.
Like it or not, most of the higher rated WR prospects in high school will end up with a chance in the NFL regardless of which school they choose. Hell, Dupre is a great example - he played in the veer offense at John Curtis, yet was still rated as the #1 WR in high school.
If I'm a highly touted WR in high school, my priorities would be as such:
1) Compete for championships
2) NFL success
3) Production/Scheme
4) Proximity to home
I wouldn't fault a WR for choosing to have production/scheme higher on their list, but I think most of the top guys are more worried about #1 and #2, and LSU provides both of those. Given the quality recruits we get year after year, I think it is safe to assume that Miles and the staff are able to convince prospects that LSU is greatly responsible for getting WRs to the league, but I often wonder how much is attributable to LSU, and how much is attributable to the pure talent of the WRs when they get here.
I'm not insinuating that LSU doesn't coach them up once they arrive, and I may be discounting the level of coaching that LSU can provide, but I believe our most talented WRs would have made it to the league with or without LSU - I'm just happy they chose to come here.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:36 am to slackster
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but I don't believe LSU prepares WRs any more for the NFL than Baylor. It is also worth noting that I don't believe LSU prepares WRs any less than Baylor.
I disagree. im too lazy to look it up, but both ODB and Jarvis have went on record to say that the offense they ran at lsu helped them tremendously in the pros. cam camerons offensive play design is almost identical to what most NFL oc's run. Same was said by Mett
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:41 am to slackster
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Ehh, I basically agree. I may get ridiculed on the Recruiting Board for this, but I don't believe LSU prepares WRs any more for the NFL than Baylor. It is also worth noting that I don't believe LSU prepares WRs any less than Baylor.
Like it or not, most of the higher rated WR prospects in high school will end up with a chance in the NFL regardless of which school they choose. Hell, Dupre is a great example - he played in the veer offense at John Curtis, yet was still rated as the #1 WR in high school.
you may get ripped by some, but you are 100%. The NFL doesn't care, well some coaches/GM amy not like the spread, but there are 32 teams, some with spread guys as coaches, like Philly. People will talke about the # of LSU WR vs say Baylor or Ok State, but that is because LSU is historically a much better program with a lot longer run of success.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:44 am to nolatrain504
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I disagree. im too lazy to look it up, but both ODB and Jarvis have went on record to say that the offense they ran at lsu helped them tremendously in the pros. cam camerons offensive play design is almost identical to what most NFL oc's run. Same was said by Mett
of coruse they do, what do you expect them to say? And to a degree maybe they are more prepared once they get to the NFL, but that is not a permanent lead if you will, The NFL can and does train guys, how guys perform at that level depend in the player, the amount of effort he puts in along with his natural talent along with the coaches on his team, not what typeof offense he ran in college or the level of competition he was playing against in college.
ETA: I bet OBJ and Landry were higher ranked as recruits than Baylor has, in other words they have natural talent to begin with.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:44 am to nolatrain504
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I disagree. im too lazy to look it up, but both ODB and Jarvis have went on record to say that the offense they ran at lsu helped them tremendously in the pros. cam camerons offensive play design is almost identical to what most NFL oc's run. Same was said by Mett
I remember them saying it, and I believe them. Perhaps I should have used a better word than "prepared." My point was that I believe ODB and Jarvis would have made it to the league with similar draft position regardless where they went to school, as long as they put forth the effort they put in while they were here. Perhaps LSU prepared them for more immediate success at the NFL level, but big time WRs are drafted from all types offenses due to their measurable and skills, not necessarily their production or offensive schemes.
I'm not trying to knock LSU in any way, and I apologize if that is how it sounds.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:49 am to slackster
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My point was that I believe ODB and Jarvis would have made it to the league with similar draft position regardless where they went to school, as long as they put forth the effort they put in while they were here
Bingo.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:28 pm to Diggerest
There also has to be something said for LSU WR's going against DBU in practice. Seems like the concept of practicing against the best will make you better would be a selling point to recruits by itself.
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